Hi friends. Hamiht here. Well unless it's not counted much Windows does have Narator.
But to the meat and potatos and rice now. First sorry if my messages haven't made much sence. I was using dictation. So one last time as Ariana Grande says I'll try and be concise and precise . The interacting can be anoying and frustrating coming from Windows and especially JAWS where either enter or space alone do things. You don't have to hold a buntch of keys like the whole VO right and left or VO up & down. Yess I just dropped a Venga Boys song there. So there is that. However, and this is where I feel dictation messes up. What has made it to where I don't use the mack much is well 1 simplicity. Those kinda things too much interacting too much you cna't just tab use the arrows space or enter you have to interact with tables and so on. Then 2 and 2 is the thing that is really making me want to say uncle and box the thing back up. Operibility. The menus dissapeear. The whole thing of having to re-start VO. Oh and Male is not responding or Safari is not responding because you went to your third YouTube Channel and wana go back to channel 1. Like uncle. This is how I was almost about to blow 20 hundred on a Studio? ________________________________ From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2026 9:32 AM To: [email protected] <[email protected]>; Krishnakant Mane <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Mac OS software latest update Remember that Windows has no built in screen reader, that Jaws and NVDA are add-ons. From E.T.'s Keyboard... "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -John F. Kennedy My e-Mail: [email protected] *-* *-* *-* *-* On 6/14/2026 10:15 PM, Krishnakant Mane wrote: > Why Windows, even Orca on Ubuntu does all this stuff and really, for those > who have such complex requirements, I agree Mac is a no starter. > For a person like me who is an entrepreneur needing performance, travel work > comfort and durable hardware quality, Mac does fine, not excellent mind > blowing but good enough. And yes for a few really amazing stuff like > security which is by the way much better than windows and the sheer > performance during multiple tasking and smoothness in performance a MacBook > is lite years ahead of Windows and Linux. It is ironically accessibility > which lags behind as compared to other OSs. > Regards. > >> On 13 Jun 2026, at 2:22 AM, Mary Otten <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Well, you can use Firefox on Windows hit F9 and there go the ads. Works >> pretty well. And I can use complicated PDFs there, something I cannot do on >> a Mac. I wish I could. I want desperately to dump windows. I need to buy a >> new PC. But if I can’t use complicated PDFs and navigate them, the Mac is a >> no starter. So I guess it’s all about what you need access to maybe. >> Mary >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jun 12, 2026, at 1:45 PM, Herbie Allen <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hmm, the ability to use a Mac Browser that has reader mode vs trying the >>> same site on a Windows and having to go through adds. Yeah, I think the Mac >>> still wins on accessibility. >>> >>>> On Jun 12, 2026, at 12:32, 'Andrew' via MacVisionaries >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> The fundamental question is though whether we should have to find work >>>> arounds a problem Accessibility at Apple has created? When I open a >>>> browser on Windows, I have no such issues, whereas I increasingly have >>>> issues on my mac? At which point do I say enough is enough! >>>> >>>>>> On 12 Jun 2026, at 16:05, Herbie Allen <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> When you get the image thing, simply Toggle Reader mode on and off with >>>>> Command Shift R. >>>>> >>>>>> On Jun 12, 2026, at 08:03, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On my PC, if I click on a link, Chrome opens to the page in question, >>>>>> not the toolbar. I could probably live with the toolbar behavior if it >>>>>> weren’t combined with the Image thing. >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Donna >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jun 12, 2026, at 9:57 AM, 'Jason J.G. 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