Yes, enter is the equivalent of F2 on PC command oh to open files or again interact with the image and stuff like that again that’s just literally this is different but it’s where you have to do it too much is what I find wrong and then efficient where they could’ve just had you hit enter or just the space bar at all they make some things harder to use and they need to be is my problem or my frustration be outright problem that was making me want to pick up the Mac and just say uncle was the actual functionality again voiceover outright freezing the menus disappear disappearing things like that but yes, the whole interacting thing is it’s not initially wrong if they did it right it’s just wrong in the way that they make you interact with almost everything When I called Apple cause I did call them about the mini freezing or disappearing, voiceover, freezing and having to either just quick nap off quick Navan go to the next heading quick quick Navan go to the next thing or restart it. They said that it also be more helpful. More people called actually and complained about it not enough people call in apparently I did and I’ll leave that to everybody else’s choice whether they want to do their or not, but they did say it’d be more helpful if more voice uses to record, but it does make one wonder did they not ever test any of this who wrote voiceover? Why did they make it so complicated?
On Mon, Jun 15, 2026 at 8:27 AM Krishnakant Mane <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes totally agreed. > I believe that this is not about one OS doing it one way and the other > doing it the other way. > It is about the fact that some things are better done a certain way and > having to press too many keys for a single action is one of those wrong > things. > I was also very much used to pressing enter to click a button. And stuff. > Also enter for opening a file (one has to do command + o in Mac). In Mac > enter would allow me to rename file which feels strange. > So yes there must be some philosophy of Mac but some things are out right > incorrect and yes I am not an octopus. > Regards. > > On 15 Jun 2026, at 5:50 PM, Hamit Campos <[email protected]> wrote: > > Yes, it’s just as a friend of mine said you almost need to be an octopus > to interact with things you interact the things you have to hit so many key > strokes. I’m not against the concept of the interacting. It’s just the way > that it’s implemented and that everything is interrupting MBS if you had to > enjoy hit old town arrow and everything like like a combo box I get it > that’s like they’re kinda. I guess it’s kind of like their equipment of > forms mode so like for tables lists certain things that you might just > wanna skim through and then even bother with you not interested I can > understand it. I understand why, but Apple does too little too much right > now for me. The fitness frustrating me, and as much as I would like to > trade in my MacBook Air for the pro or and what made me also say oh gosh > and this is how I want to blow 2000 for a max studio is that is the > freezing the probability the functionality of voiceover macOS never mind > interacting and you can’t just hit shift at six and F6. That’s just me > coming from 20+ years from windows and so you know and it just feels like > oh really I had to hit the control Windows spaced just dude let me hit > enter or just space on its own. It’s just a different dynamic that one has > to get used to frustrating me is more those actual functionality things > voiceover, freezes voiceover menu disappear and in Safari you can’t command > enter to open the page in new tab you can’t shift enter to open a new > window like you can with chrome and then chrome has its own issues but yes, > it’s more and accessibility that they be lagging too. I don’t know if > voiceover were more like it is on the iPhone even the categories. I don’t > know how you switched between the categories and Mail and Mac if it is as > easy to use I don’t use the back for Mail for easy phone then yeah so you > would do is shift tab now you’re back in the categories primary > transactions updates promotions and I forget the last one shift tab again > that you’re in your inbox you know like Thunderbird, which is again very > much bar fox and but yeah, those are. The things are frustrating me with it > and invoice itself feel a bit like NVDA once you get over the whole > interacting and they have to hit too many keys to do certain things. > > On Mon, Jun 15, 2026 at 1:15 AM Krishnakant Mane <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Why Windows, even Orca on Ubuntu does all this stuff and really, for >> those who have such complex requirements, I agree Mac is a no starter. >> For a person like me who is an entrepreneur needing performance, travel >> work comfort and durable hardware quality, Mac does fine, not excellent >> mind blowing but good enough. And yes for a few really amazing stuff like >> security which is by the way much better than windows and the sheer >> performance during multiple tasking and smoothness in performance a MacBook >> is lite years ahead of Windows and Linux. It is ironically accessibility >> which lags behind as compared to other OSs. >> Regards. >> >> > On 13 Jun 2026, at 2:22 AM, Mary Otten <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > Well, you can use Firefox on Windows hit F9 and there go the ads. Works >> pretty well. And I can use complicated PDFs there, something I cannot do on >> a Mac. I wish I could. I want desperately to dump windows. I need to buy a >> new PC. But if I can’t use complicated PDFs and navigate them, the Mac is a >> no starter. So I guess it’s all about what you need access to maybe. >> > Mary >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> >> On Jun 12, 2026, at 1:45 PM, Herbie Allen <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hmm, the ability to use a Mac Browser that has reader mode vs trying >> the same site on a Windows and having to go through adds. Yeah, I think the >> Mac still wins on accessibility. >> >> >> >>> On Jun 12, 2026, at 12:32, 'Andrew' via MacVisionaries < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> The fundamental question is though whether we should have to find >> work arounds a problem Accessibility at Apple has created? When I open a >> browser on Windows, I have no such issues, whereas I increasingly have >> issues on my mac? At which point do I say enough is enough! >> >>> >> >>>>> On 12 Jun 2026, at 16:05, Herbie Allen <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> When you get the image thing, simply Toggle Reader mode on and off >> with Command Shift R. >> >>>> >> >>>>> On Jun 12, 2026, at 08:03, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On my PC, if I click on a link, Chrome opens to the page in >> question, not the toolbar. 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