This is probably one of the primary differences between voice over and the windows screen readers. Voice over does not assume you want certain things spoken. Does this mean you do a bit more navigation on the mac than you do in Windows? Perhaps, but it leaves decisions up to the user which is how it should be. On Aug 10, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Orin wrote:
> Yep, agreed there totally. That's what interaction was designed for. > Orin > [email protected] > Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/orinks > Skype: orin1112 > > > > On Aug 10, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: > >> Donna, you read much too much in to what I said. I did not imply that you >> don't like the Mac, rather, I was addressing the concept of interaction. At >> first, it seemed foreign to Sarah, but, after she got in to my Mac, she saw >> the logic of it. Personally, I like the concept of interaction; >> particularly with browsing. For example, what if you come across a frame on >> a page. You may or may not want to examine it. IF you do need or want to, >> you can interact with it so you can pay attention to it. IF you don't want >> to, however, you can just ignore it and move on to the next thing. I don't >> want assumptions made for me about what I want to pay attention to or not; >> and, the concept of interaction gives me the freedom to make that choice for >> myself. >> >> >> Sincerely, >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! >> >> A Very Proud and Happy Mac User!!! >> >> E-Mail: >> rforetjr at comcast dot net >> Skype Name: >> barefootedray >> >> On Aug 10, 2010, at 9:46 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >>> Hi Ray, >>> >>> I didn't say I don't like the Mac, quite the contrary. I just think that >>> having to interact is annoying, and serves no real purpose. >>> Cheers, >>> Donna >>> On Aug 10, 2010, at 10:10 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: >>> >>>> With respect, I cannot agree. My lovely constantly barefooted Fiance >>>> thought the same thing at first; but then, she had a go with my Mac while >>>> she was down here visiting me; and, now, she really has taken to it. Now, >>>> she's not to the point of switching herself, but, she has now got the >>>> confidence that if she did switch, she could use a Mac very well. It took >>>> her no more than the time of one afternoon to get her teeth in to it >>>> enough to get browsing that very evening. The concept of interaction >>>> seemed foreign to her before she tried it, but now, to her, it's quite >>>> logical. >>>> >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! >>>> >>>> A Very Proud and Happy Mac User!!! >>>> >>>> E-Mail: >>>> rforetjr at comcast dot net >>>> Skype Name: >>>> barefootedray >>>> >>>> On Aug 10, 2010, at 8:35 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>> >>>>> Oh, so that's the problem. Arg. You know, if the Apple genie would grant >>>>> me just one wish, it would be that this whole interacting concept would >>>>> just disappear. It just isn't natural! *grin* >>>>> Donna >>>>> On Aug 10, 2010, at 9:12 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi donna, >>>>>> >>>>>> It does read from the point of the cursor. You just need to interact >>>>>> again. >>>>>> >>>>>> hth >>>>>> On Aug 10, 2010, at 7:35 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I haven't followed this thread too closely, so first, my apologies if >>>>>>> I'm bringing up something that has already been covered. But I have >>>>>>> this same problem trying to read to the bottom of text. For example, >>>>>>> when reading a long email, if I press VO-A, it will read the whole >>>>>>> message, even if I'm already halfway down the message body. I do wish >>>>>>> there were some way to make VO start reading where you are, instead of >>>>>>> back at the top of the document. Note that the one exception for this >>>>>>> seems to be in Safari, where pressing VO-A reads from cursor to end. >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>> On Aug 10, 2010, at 3:25 AM, Chris Moore wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No, it seems to read past it. For example, if you are replying to an >>>>>>>> email and you just want to read up to the point where your cursor is, >>>>>>>> you can read line by line or paragraph, or hit VO a or B, but it does >>>>>>>> not stop at the cursor, it continues reading past it and starts >>>>>>>> reading the previous text from the message you are replying to. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Of course you can stop VO manually, but it would be nice if it stopped >>>>>>>> automatically. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>> On 10 Aug 2010, at 03:56, Mary Otten wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Chris, >>>>>>>>> I thought vo a was suppose to read from top of page to your cursor. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> mary >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mary Otten >>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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