Antonio:
Nicely put.  I've been at this over a year and stillfind your post informative.
Thank you.

Carolyn H
On Feb 8, 2011, at 2:08 PM, Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. wrote:

> Hello Mohamed,
> 
> I am also pretty much a beginner with the mac, even after owning mine for 5 
> months.
> 
> Here are a couple of things I've learned which may be of some help:
> 
> First off, when in finder you can view the contents of your computer with 
> Command-Shift-C.
> 
> View applications with control-shift-A.
> 
> View documents with Control-Shift-o.
> 
> View home with Control-Shift-H.
> 
> This is all available from the go  menu in finder.
> 
> To expand a folder you'd press Command-down arrow. 
> 
> To collapse a folder press Command-up arrow.
> 
> I just now realized you can also expand and collapse folders with the right 
> and left arrow keys as you did in Windows, and prefer this method.
> 
> Once you find a file you wish to open, use command o to open it.
> 
> Here is how you can use folder naviagation commands to find your ring tones 
> folder for iTunes:
> 
> 1. Press Command-Shift-C for computer.
> 
> 2. Down arrow till you hear "users" and press right arrow.
> 
> 3. Download to your computer user name, and expand with right arrow.
> 
> I am not sure how your specific folder name will display in this step, but 
> for me it is my first and last name.
> 
> 4. Down arrow to "music" and again expand this folder.
> 
> 5. Now down to your specific iTunes "library name" folder and expand.
> 
> I named mine Antonio's Library, so this is the folder name for me.
> 
> 6. Down arrow to iTunes media, then expand the folder.
> 
> 7. Download and expand the "ring tones" folder.
> 
> It is necessary to expand the folder to reveal the files contained here. 
> 
> Pressing tab to view files will not work as it does in windows.
> 
> The folder may be empty if you have no added ring tones since purchasing your 
> phone.
> 
> If you have ring tone-ready files, you would paste them into this folder we 
> just navigated to.
> 
> Creating ring tones is another animal altogether, but just know that ring 
> tones should be in the correct format, .m4r.
> 
> It will be handy to know you can bring up a context menu of sorts when you 
> press Control-Option-Shift-m. This works well when you want to know what you 
> can do with a file, skype contact, and so on.
> 
> I hope this is helpful and accurate coming from a newbe.
> 
> Antonio Guimaraes
> 
> 
> On Feb 8, 2011, at 11:50 AM, Mohammed Al-shara wrote:
> 
>> Hi Colin!
>> 
>> thanks alot for your answers, that's exactly what I was looking for. about 
>> the applications, I successfully browsed them, but is there another place 
>> that shows my applications? asking because I didn't see things like the 
>> terminal in there. also, how do I browse my disks and there contents? 
>> something like my computer in windows? I also heard that there were other 
>> utilities like a partition utility, didn't see it.
>> 
>> and finally for now, is there something like a context menu in the mac? if 
>> not, how do you operate on a file, like open it / zip it / see its 
>> properties, etc, etc?
>> 
>> thanks again for the very complete answer that you sent already.
>> 
>> best,
>> Mohammed Al-shara.
>> 
>> On 2/8/2011 6:11 PM, Colin M wrote:
>>> Hi Mohammed!
>>> A quick way to open applications is to use the command [command+shift+a ]
>>> That will put you in the app's!
>>> For the navigation of web you can turn quick nav on by pressing the left 
>>> and right arrows down at the same time [vo will say either quick nav on or 
>>> off]
>>> Other methods include opening the web rota with the command [vo+u ] and in 
>>> there you can move from left to right or right to left through headings, 
>>> links, visited links,form controls, frames and others!
>>> Then when your on something you want like headers you can down arrow to get 
>>> to what you want!
>>> Or if you know what your heading your looking for just type the first few 
>>> letters and the list of headers will narrow down!
>>> Or links or form controls which ever your on!
>>> So you get to your header in the list just press vo+space and it will put 
>>> you right there!
>>> And if it is a link you want to open just vo+space again!
>>> You can also open Item chooser with the command [ vo+i ] and down arrow 
>>> through items there as well that option will or should also show you things 
>>> like the close button and other stuff!
>>> So I hope this is of some help to you!
>>> Colin
>>> Qapla!
>>> 
>>> Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak
>>> 
>>> On 8 Feb 2011, at 15:02, Mohammed Al-shara wrote:
>>> 
>>>> hi group.
>>>> 
>>>> first, I am a new user of mac, and I have recently joined the list. I do 
>>>> own an iphone from some time, so I am familiar with voiceover with IOS. I 
>>>> have few questions:
>>>> 
>>>> 1. how do I browse webpages with the errow keys? I set navigation to DOM, 
>>>> then I use vo+right errow key to move through the page bit by bit, like I 
>>>> would use the errow keys alone with windows screen readers. I appreciate 
>>>> that the mac works differently, however, I think there exists an easier 
>>>> way that I am not aware of.
>>>> 
>>>> 2, how do I open my applications menu? if I go to the doc and then 
>>>> navigate to applications, then press that using vo+space, nothing happens 
>>>> and vo doesn't read my applications. a sighted friend confirmed that the 
>>>> application list does open.
>>>> 
>>>> 3. what resources exist about voiceover for the mac apart from the 
>>>> excellent getting started guide on apple website, and the builtin help, 
>>>> this group, and perhaps bits here and there from macaccessibilities? is 
>>>> there something like www.applevis.com but this time for the mac?
>>>> 
>>>> thanks alot.
>>>> 
>>>> Mohammed Al-shara.
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