Hello everyone, In some sort of curious way, I feel honored. I started this thread and normally, when I pose a question, I get two or three responses. So in a weird sort of way, I am glad that something I sent to the list has been received so thoughtfully and generated so much discussion.
By the way, VO died twice on me today and the work-around solution that Robert Carter suggested has saved me tons of time. He insightfully suggested typing control-Option-Command F8 to start the VO tutorial. Once it has launched, all you need to do is press Escape, and VO picks up right where it left off. Not ideal, but at least you don't have to reboot or wait around until VO decides that you've entered Command F5 often enough. Best regards, Mike On 15,Mar,2011, at 2:00 PM, carolyn Haas wrote: > Hi Andre: > I really haven't had that issue show up, and I mostly use sleep mode for my > mbp. So, that wouldn't support this theory. But, I can sure empathize with > how frustrating it would be. And, I hope the accessibility team and the > development engineers can ferret out thecause. > > Carolyn > > Carolyn > On Mar 15, 2011, at 4:38 AM, Andre Nuno Soares wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I too suffer this, but not often enough to be a real problem. >> >> Eric, >> Do you leave your Mac on for long periods of time? Do you use sleep more >> than shutdown? Do you have one or more VMs using a lot of RAM? I wonder if >> this is some kind of memory leak problem, in VO or somewhere else in SL? >> I have the feeling whenever it happened to me I had the Mac running for some >> time - I mostly use it after work hours and always shutdown instead of sleep. >> >> >> HTH, >> André >> >> On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:23 PM, Eric Oyen wrote: >> >>> the problems appear at random but with increasing frequency. >>> I'd take a trip to my local apple store, but its like 40 miles across town >>> and I don't venture out much during the day (my eyes hurt too damned much). >>> >>> I have run all the maintenance tools here. so far, nothing is detected as >>> being wrong. in fact, VO just dropped out on me while typing the last >>> sentence. >>> >>> I don't have any concurrent systems running here. I don't even own a copy >>> of windows. >>> >>> right now, re-installing would be a major PITA. I have too much work on my >>> drive and no place to back it up to. >>> >>> -Eric >>> >>> On Mar 14, 2011, at 11:54 AM, carolyn Haas wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Eric >>>> >>>> Have you tried some of the general maintenance things such as utilities >>>> first aid, verifying and repairing permissions, or doing any re-installs? >>>> It would seem to me that if this problem is occurring that often, you >>>> could get it to reproduce for one of the geniuses at your Apple store and >>>> seek some resolution. If you are running windows on this machine, is it >>>> possible that there is a conflict caused by the two systems clashing? >>>> Just a couple of my thoughts. >>>> Carolyn HOn Mar 14, 2011, at 12:43 PM, Eric Oyen wrote: >>>> >>>>> zack, >>>>> I am definitely NOT overstating the problem here. I get random failures, >>>>> and not just in mail either. It happens so often that I am seriously >>>>> considering dumping OS X and installing VINUX. This problem has been >>>>> occurring with such frequency that I might as well keep my machine off >>>>> then use it (more than 20 times a day). I use this machine as often as I >>>>> do because I simply don't have a windows machine and my powerbook is >>>>> linux only now (no voiceover support for 10.3.9). >>>>> >>>>> so, I am left with a choice of having to dump an OS I paid for on a $800 >>>>> machine and do without some of the tools I use daily or spend another >>>>> $1,500 to $2,000 for a fully outfitted windows machine with JAWS. since I >>>>> don't have the money, I don't see a lot of choices. >>>>> >>>>> -Eric >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:22 AM, Zachary Kline wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Eric, >>>>>> I think you're overstating the case a bit here... Yes, it's annoying, >>>>>> but I haven't found it that annoying. I haven't experienced it as often >>>>>> as others here seem to, and the times I have, a quick command-f5 or two >>>>>> solves it. Yes, let's email accessibility about this, but let's not >>>>>> loose our sense of perspective. It could be much worse, we could be >>>>>> stuck on Windows with a screen reader not built into the OS, which when >>>>>> it freezes requires us to reboot the system completely. I'll stop now. >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Zack. >>>>>> On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Eric Oyen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> this has been a known problem since the inception of snow leopard. I >>>>>>> have seen it on all versions 10.6.x and it hasn't gotten any better >>>>>>> with time. it appears that it may be a memory leak or a broken library. >>>>>>> in any case, it is annoying as hell. I have sent many notices to >>>>>>> accessibility. its gotten bad enough that I may start sending bug >>>>>>> reports to steve jobs directly. perhaps he'll give the dev team a swift >>>>>>> kick in the pants to make this a priority,. perhaps if more of us would >>>>>>> do so, it would garner enough attention that apple Inc. would have to >>>>>>> do something about this problem. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Eric >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mar 14, 2011, at 9:46 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Robert, although the problem is annoying, this approach you described >>>>>>>> might at least be a usable work-around. I will try it the next time >>>>>>>> Voice Over abandons me. Thank you very much. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To all of you who wrote, thank you. Sometimes, the only way to >>>>>>>> recover has been to just hit the Power key, wait a second or so and >>>>>>>> then just press Enter. Not an elegant solution, but at least it has >>>>>>>> worked since "Shut Down" is the default selection in this dialogue.. >>>>>>>> I will definitely post a message to the Accessibility Group, apprising >>>>>>>> them of something they probably already know by now. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My best to all and thanks again, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mike >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 14,Mar,2011, at 4:50 PM, Robert Carter wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Mike, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have this problem on my MacBook as well. I find that the easiest >>>>>>>>> way to get VoiceOver restarted is to press control+option+command+f8. >>>>>>>>> This starts the VoiceOver tutorial. As soon as the tutorial starts, >>>>>>>>> press escape and VoiceOver will restart. I hope this problem gets >>>>>>>>> fixed soon. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It must be unique to the MacBooks as I cannot produce the problem on >>>>>>>>> my iMac. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Robert Carter >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mar 14, 2011, at 10:38 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am using Snow Leopard V 10.6.6 on a Mac Book with 4 GB/RAM. For >>>>>>>>>> reasons I do not understand, I occasionally lose Voice Over, >>>>>>>>>> especially when I am using Mail. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Though the problem is not limited to Mail, Voice Over just seems to >>>>>>>>>> "unload itself," and the only thing I can do is repeatedly hit >>>>>>>>>> Command F5 until VO decides to make an appearance. Its >>>>>>>>>> disappearance is apparently random, i.e. I can't make it disappear >>>>>>>>>> at will. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Has anyone else encountered this problem? If not, what might be >>>>>>>>>> causing it? 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