OK, I'm sorry, maybe I over-reacted. forgive me. I see now where you're
coming from.
Chris.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Panarese" <jpanar...@gmail.com>
To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: for those who's macbooks are running hot, I have a sollution
No advice is ever useless. That was not the point of my post. My point
was that research and caution should be taken before anyone tries any given
suggestion presented to them, and should be completely certain that the
remedy offered is something that will fix the problem. If you have found
what you recommended to work for you and others who have taken your advice
also have found similar success, all the better for everyone. Again, I was
not seeking to discredit or detract from anyone's efforts. I was just
suggesting caution and patience in determine exactly what is going on with
the heating issue. Spotlight surely makes sense as a cause because of the
indexing done in Lion, but that also does not infer or imply it's the only
cause. Verification through multiple sources with any given matter is
always something that one should consider. It's just common sense.
Take Care
John Panarese
jpanar...@gmail.com
On Jul 27, 2011, at 1:36 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
John, I tried all the things you and Tim suggested from the Activity
Monitor, to the forums, etc.
I'm sorry if my advice was useless.
Chris.
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Panarese" <jpanar...@gmail.com>
To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: for those who's macbooks are running hot, I have a sollution
I agree with Tim as well. I have a mid 2010 MBP and are not having any
issues with heating. I think, however, when one is troubleshooting any
issue, a lot of research and caution should be undertaken. I am one who
likes to have multiple expert sources when it comes to an offered solution
and the instructions on how to carry out any given task. Additionally, I
prefer not to attempt anything requiring such caution until I have
exhausted all other options. Thus, Tim's suggestion about using Activity
monitor is surely a important place to start in trying to determine what
processes might be causing a system to run hot and what may be hogging
resources. Also, check the Apple forums and the various Apple related
information sites, like Mac World, Mac Tidbits and other similar outlets
to see if an issue is discussed and solutions are offered by multiple
sources that seem to suggest the same procedures.
Just my two cents, for what it's worth. I am not questioning anyone's
knowledge or experience on the list, btw. I simply prefer having more
than one source for any recommendation and being sure that recommendation
has been utilized with success by more than a few individuals before I'll
try it.
Take Care
John Panarese
jpanar...@gmail.com
On Jul 27, 2011, at 11:39 AM, carolyn Haas wrote:
Hello Tim:
As usual, very well thought out and very well spoken. I don't have the
issue at present, thankfully. But, I really appreciate your succinct and
clear explanation.
Thank you.
Carolyn
On Jul 26, 2011, at 11:35 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
Hi,
I suggest that people dig a little deeper into the issue. In fact, I'd
suggest You go into Activity Monitor, Interact with the Toolbar, make
sure that the Processes pop-up is set to "All Processes" and then take a
look at the percent CPU of the running processes. For the most part,
the ones beginning with "MD" are the Spotlight related processes. If
they are not using a high percentage of the CPU, then the below
mentioned idea is totally unnecessary. Actually, I'd simply note the
processes using the greatest amount of CPU and check with someone
knowledgeable as to their importance. Stopping processes can lead to
undesirable consequences if you're not familiar with the entire picture.
One thing to note for those of you using external HDs, Spotlight will
often index that external HD, especially if it's a clone of your main
HD, this indexing will certainly create extra load and thus, extra heat.
If you're not using the drive consistently, disconnect it and you'll
notice changes in behaviour.
Just my thoughts.
Later…
On 2011-07-26, at 10:35 PM, carolyn Haas wrote:
Yes Dear.
On Jul 26, 2011, at 10:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
Carolyn, BTW, no need to write me anything further. you've been put
on my block sender's list.
----- Original Message ----- From: "carolyn Haas"
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To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:39 PM
Subject: Re: for those who's macbooks are running hot, I have a
sollution
This is ridiculous! Please apply with a grain of salt and at least
two shots of tiquila!!!
On Jul 26, 2011, at 9:27 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
Warning! Warning! Warning! Warning! Warning! This is not! going to be
for the faint at heart. It's all software-sided, you won't be taking
things apart, LOL! but it's still ***not!*** something I advise a
nuby trying to take on unless you follow my instructions to, a, T!
Again, let's get a few things straight: I, nor any mods, nor any
members, nor Apple will be held responsible for anything that may
occur from doing th3e following process. You agree by doing this to
hold everyone on the list including myself as well as Apple totally
blameless. Though I'm not saying to do this, it's a sure fix.
First of all, the problem at hand:
I hate saying this, but after hours of research the past few days,
I've determined that it's the mds server daemon that is causing the
over-heating of up to 2 thousand rpm on the fan and about 85 degrees
celcius, which is, by the way, over twice! gasp! Yikes! what the fan
temp, should be!
I'm not totally sure why, but I tell you, it has to do with the way
Spotlight in Lion indexes things. for those who like Lion, I'll say
this: Fine! leave it on and don't do this procedure, but I'll also
say, don't come crying to me nor Apple when your logicboard fries
from overheating. I say this not to scare you, but, realisticly, if
you're anything like me, your fans will be running about twice as
fast and your smc will be about twice as hot.
Mark, I'm sorry if I'm out of line by posting these directions, but
as I am saying again and again after again, You! do this soly! at
your own risk!
Let's get started! I'll say again, follow me to a T! If you don't,
then don't look at me if something doesn't work, or breaks.
1. Quick with command+Q every single app you currently have opened,
obviously except for Mail, so that you can keep reading how to do
this.
2. Go to system preferences, then to Spotlight
3. On the search results tab, vo+right arrow over to the table, and
interact with it, then in the first column, uncheck every? single
one! of the boxes on each row. I know, you're going WTF! That's
gonna disable my spotlight! Yes. It will. You're correct. %That's
the only? way we're for now, until an update comes out gonna fix
this. I'm sorry, it's either this, or have an over-heating
logicboard.
4. Now, go to the exclusions tab, and vo+Space on the add button.
. In the browser window, interact with the browser, then hit
command+shift+C to go to computer.
6. locate Macintosh HD. don't! open it, just arrow to and select
it. I repeat: don't! open it, just highlight it.
7. Stop interacting with the browser, and go to the open/choose
button, or whatever it's called, can't remember exactly.
8. When told this could effect other applications from the search
feature working, just say yes/ok to add it to the exclusions list.
Trust me, you'll be fine.
9. Press command+W to close System Preferences.
O? K! Now, for the really brutal work! I know I've said this
before, but I say again, follow me, to? a, T!
1. Open your Utilities folder with command+shift+U, then command+O
on terminal.app.
2. Disable the indexing of spotlight by typing
sudo mdsutil -a -i off
Then press return.
Type your administrator password, then hit return.
Great! Now indexing should be disabled.
3. Now, unload the spotlight daemonn by typing:
sudo launchctl unload -w
/System/Library/LaunchDaemons/com.apple.metadata/mds/plist
Then press return. You may again need to enter your password, but
probably not.
If you get a message that the daemon already is unloaded, then you're
done! If not, that should unload things, at which point you're done,
either way!
Now, if you really wanna be a smart butt, and totally make the
spotllight menu bar item totally vannish for the time being, in
terminal type the following two commands. I should add all these
commands are case sensitive, so if you messed up above, it's ok, you
didn't do any harm, just go do 'em again.
Here's the command to make the spotlight disappear. I'd not advise
doing this, but if you really? want to, here's what to type:
sudo chmod 600
/System/Library/CoreServices/Search.bundle/Contents/MacOS/Search
Then for the change to take effect, type:
killall SystemUIServer
And hit return.
Then quit Terminal with command+Q.
Boom! Congradulations, no more spotlight, and boom! no more hot
computer!
Once I've been notified that Apple has made an update to address
this, I'll write another e-mail post on how to undo all this crap.
Again, I didn't say this was for the faint of heart, and if something
blew up in your face along the way, again, I didn't say! to do this!
I said, do it soly at your own risk.
Chris.
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