I concur Recardo and I also would like some examples as well. I have been using the Mac since 2005 and I have never felt as though keyboard commands are an afterthought.
On Nov 24, 2011, at 10:10 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > Hi, > > I completely disagree that Mac OSX keystrokes feel like add ons or after > thoughts in comparison to Windows. I would appreciate if you can give some > examples of this. > Ricardo Walker > [email protected] > Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 > www.mobileaccess.org > > On Nov 24, 2011, at 7:19 PM, Garth Humphreys wrote: > >> Hi Missy >> >> I think one the reasons your not getting that comfortable with the word >> processing options on the Mac is that they actually aren't that great >> compared to MS Word. This goes beyond just that we are use to using Word. >> >> Keystrokes on the Mac seem to be much more of an add on or after thought >> then they are in windows. I don't mean this just from the perspective of a >> blind user, but in general without any reference to screen readers. >> >> I don't want to sound like I am bashing the Mac, I actually really like >> using it. I just want to be realistic about the limitations as well. >> Especially given that potential new users watch this list in the same way >> that I did before buying my MBA. >> >> Garth >> >> >> On 24/11/2011, at 11:50 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: >> >>> I agree. I'm very comfortable with basic finder commands in particular; >>> have caught myself trying to use them on the PC >>> recently. Even the mail commands are fairly intuitive once you memorize >>> them, which usually isn't a problem for me. I just >>> can't get genuinely comfortable with any of the word processing options for >>> the mac, and there are a lot of instances where >>> things just seem more complicated than they have to be: for example, I >>> don't always know when interracting is mandatory, and >>> I've heard some instructions on this list that just seem way too complex >>> considering the task trying to be accomplished. I >>> wish I could think of an example, but I do remember 1 thing I read recently >>> where there were 4-5 steps, including >>> interracting several times, and I just thought to myself that whatever the >>> task was isn't nearly so complicated to do under >>> windows. Still, I am to the point where I try to boot up the mac at least a >>> few times a week, but unless I can find a better >>> word processor, some audio games and/or a mud client that actually works, I >>> don't ever see myself abandoning the PC. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Garth Humphreys >>> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 8:41 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: Mac feel natural >>> >>> Hi >>> >>> I would agree with the general sentiment that you need to just use your mac >>> for a while. I have only had my Mac for a couple >>> of months but I have used it everyday. >>> >>> I feel relatively comfortable on the Mac. I wouldn't agree that you need to >>> stop using Windows completely. I have been using >>> Windows XP at work everyday as well and also I've been using Windows 7 and >>> Vista at home as well. >>> >>> I think the important thing is to use the Mac regularly. It is just >>> practice and to a degree muscle memory. There are >>> obviously lots of factors but one major component of feeling comfortable is >>> simply knowing what keystroke to press without >>> having to think about it. The simple fact is that the required keystroke to >>> achieve something on a Mac is likely to be more >>> complicated then it would be on a Windows machine. I don't mean that it is >>> necessarily less intuitive I just mean that it is >>> likely to involve more keys and so maybe harder to remember. >>> When it comes time for me to send this message for example I won't have to >>> think through what the key stroke is. I have used >>> the mac mail app enough that it is second nature to hit Cmd+Shift+D. >>> >>> In short, like others have said practise. If you have to put your Windows >>> machine out of reach for while to force yourself >>> then sure, why not. >>> >>> For me personally the thing I have loved most about using my mac is the >>> physical hardware it's self. The MBA is truly a >>> lovely machine. I like using Lion and VO but for somethings it is just no >>> replacement for an up-to-date windows machine. Word >>> with JAWS or even NVDA is far better then Pages and VO in my opinion. And I >>> would be really happy if I never had to hear busy >>> busy busy busy again. >>> >>> NVDA is becoming or should I say has become a first class screen reader and >>> it is free. >>> >>> I do love my Mac but Windows is also an excellent OS. >>> >>> Garth >>> >>> twitter.com/blindtechmusing >>> >>> , >>> On 24/11/2011, at 7:50 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> I have been using the Mac since 2008 and am never ever ever ever going to >>>> go back to windblows again. It took me a weekend >>> to set it up and once done, i left windblows behind and have never looked >>> back since. Ok, i've got a vm with XP and one with >>> 7 in it, just to see what i'm not missing. The only things i use windblows >>> for nowadays is playing audio games. Let's hope >>> there'll be mac versions of them too so i finally can ditch windblows >>> alltogether. >>>> I can only agree with what others have said here, use the mac as much as >>>> possible, especially when you learn it. That will >>> make the experience easier. >>>> /Krister >>>> >>>> 24 nov 2011 kl. 03:16 skrev Mary: >>>> >>>>> Traci, >>>>> >>>>> the way I did it was to force myself to do everything I needed to do on >>>>> the Mac and stay away from Windows. No matter how >>> tempting it was, I didn't allow myself to use Windows at all While I was >>> learning to use the Mac. >>>>> >>>>> Mary >>>>> >>>>> On Nov 23, 2011, at 12:26 PM, Paul Mimms wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Most of us are more comfortable with what we have become familiar with >>>>>> using, therefore what is easier. You may find you >>> just need to stop making the decision whether to use the MacBook or the PC >>> and remove the PC from consideration. Make the >>> MacBook the only computer you use and make it work for you just as you did >>> with the PC at one time. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 11/23/2011 10:19 AM, Traci wrote: >>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What is your advice on making the Mac experience feel natural? I'm >>>>>>> loving my Macbook Air, but I'm noticing I don't >>> naturally go to it. I'm still using my ancient windows laptop most of the >>> time. It can be 3 or 4 days, and I think I really >>> should go on my Mac. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> :) I guess I want to get to the point, where it is odd to pick up the >>>>>>> windows laptop. Any good suggestions? How long >>> did it take you before the Mac felt second nature? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Traci >>>>>>> Sent by Macbook Air Mail >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Yes, the glass is half full, but I'm not finished filling it! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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