Solved issue. Tim was right about his latest suggestion. 1. From the prefs window, choose classic layout in view tab.
2. Now, making sure not to interact with the message table, VO+right just to the right of it. IF a horizontal spliter is right next to the message table, the preview pain is visable. 3. Interact with this horizontal spliter and make note of the precentage on the bar. It will usually be between say 35 and 40 percent or so. Slide it to about 72 percent. causion. Do, NOT, attempt to go further or mail will jam up. 4. Now, cease interacting with this spliter. 5. Now, rout mouse or track pad to the splitter via VO+CMD+F5. Needless to say, make sure track pad commander is off if you are used to using it. 6. Now, place a finger at just about the half way point and press down firmly on pad making sure you feel or hear it click down and hold your finger there. 7. Now, slowly move your finger down as far as it will move. 8. Now, remove your finger and check to see where the spliter is. IF you find the splitter still where it was before, you have not closed the preview pain. IF the splitter is all the way to the bottom right of the screen, it is closed. 9. Just for good measure, quit mail at this point. 10. Now, you can reopen mail and set back to standard view. Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in! Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! On Oct 28, 2013, at 10:09 PM, Teresa Cochran <[email protected]> wrote: > Also, when performing these mouse functions, I find that full-screen mode > gives you much better control. > > Hth, > Teresa > > "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too > dark to read."--Groucho Marx > > On Oct 28, 2013, at 2:41 PM, Tim Kilburn <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Just go up in value a little. This is just to make sure that the splitter >> is moving properly and that the mouse will respond. When using VO to move >> the splitter, it often won’t let you go all the way to 100% anyway. After >> you’ve moved it 5 or 10%, then use VO-cmd-f5 to bring mouse focus to the VO >> cursor, then do the press and drag down thing. VO should announce “Scroll >> area” if it worked. It’s not extremely important where you start the drag >> from, but it’s best to do so from the top half of the Trackpad so that you >> have lots of drag space. >> >> Later… >> >> Tim Kilburn >> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >> >> On Oct 28, 2013, at 3:10 PM, Ray Foret Jr <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Ah, okay. >>> >>> AS for the tool bar, I discovered that I had curser tracking off and I >>> fixed that. >>> >>> Now, with respect to the value in the horizontal spliter, should I go down >>> or up in value? I find that if I go up in value, and I hit about 87 >>> percent, mail suddenly goes busy and I wind up being able to do nothing so >>> I quit it. Maybe go down to zero in the value and then try the track pad >>> thingy? >>> >>> This almost seems to be a half baked cookie, in a way. >>> >>> >>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind >>> built-in! >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! >>> >>> On Oct 28, 2013, at 2:51 PM, Tim Kilburn <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Ray, >>>> >>>> I believe that Alex received the initial instructions from an Apple >>>> Support person. I more or less used some of those instructions along with >>>> my own experience to come up with my instructions. I, like Alex, had >>>> everything the way it should be after my update to Mavericks and then >>>> decided to do some testing after seeing some of the frustration expressed >>>> on this list. Being the cocky person that I am, I thought I’d have no >>>> problems. Stupid me. After lots of fussing, some assistance from my >>>> sighted wife, and some investigation on the web, I determined that this is >>>> an issue for sighted folks too. >>>> >>>> So, I was able to fix things using the steps I outlined after some time >>>> and frustration. The messed up view where your ToolBar is in an odd >>>> location is usually fixed after quitting and re-opening Mail. I’m >>>> wondering if you could add an extra step into this that might help it to >>>> work for you. When you’ve navigated to the Horizontal Splitter, Interact >>>> with it, then move with VO-up or VO-down. VO should announce percentage >>>> values relating to the size of the Preview pane. Now use VO-cmd-f5 to >>>> route the mouse to the VO location, then perform the drag down of the >>>> Horizontal Splitter to see if it works for you. Also, for accuracy sake, >>>> take a look in your VO settings under the Visuals section, make sure that >>>> your VO Cursor magnification is set to 1. This should make sure that the >>>> mouse is going where it’s supposed to. >>>> >>>> HTH. >>>> >>>> Later… >>>> >>>> Tim Kilburn >>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>> >>>> On Oct 28, 2013, at 12:28 PM, Ray Foret Jr <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Okay, >>>>> >>>>> After fooling with the instructions to get rid of the preview pain, it’s >>>>> still there. >>>>> >>>>> Problem seems to be that I just cannot get rid of the damn horizontal >>>>> splitter and make it go to the botton of the mail window. >>>>> >>>>> Now, when I open mail, (in standard view) I land on my mail box table and >>>>> find that as I arrow message to message, it tells me that the message is >>>>> selected. This would seem to indicate that preview pain is still on. >>>>> Would I be better off getting rid of the mail preferences file and jus >>>>> rebuilding the account from scratch? IF so, I cannot seem to find the >>>>> mail prefs file in Library/Preferences. Seems to me there’s got to be a >>>>> better way than this. >>>>> >>>>> Here’s exactly what I did. >>>>> >>>>> 1. Hide tool bar and favorites bar also. >>>>> >>>>> 2. Pressed zoom. >>>>> >>>>> 3. Go in to the prefs window and select for classic view. >>>>> >>>>> 4. Came out of prefs window and noticed that the horizontal splitter was >>>>> just imedately to the right of the message table. >>>>> >>>>> 5. Next, I pressed VO+CMD+F5 to rout the track pad mouse directly to >>>>> that spliter. >>>>> >>>>> 6. Next, pressed down on top of track pad making sure that it clicked >>>>> when pressed and held finger there. >>>>> >>>>> 7. With finger still on track pad, slide finger down till I could move >>>>> it no longer. Heard nothing change. >>>>> >>>>> 8. I then let off the track pad. >>>>> >>>>> 9. Now, When I check again, I notice that the horizontal spliter is >>>>> still right next to the message table. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Now, I’m almost at the end of my rope with this. >>>>> >>>>> Did you call >>>>> 1800-692-7753 >>>>> to solve this or did you call the special accessibility number? >>>>> >>>>> I guess I’ll have to pay for the support since my Apple care is up. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind >>>>> built-in! >>>>> >>>>> Sincerely, >>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to [email protected]. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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