The problem with this approach is that you have to be excruciatingly careful. It is correct but I was never able to accomplish it that way. But I know some are able to do it and that's great! It is not the only way that works though.
On Oct 28, 2013, at 11:02 PM, Ray Foret Jr <[email protected]> wrote: > Solved issue. Tim was right about his latest suggestion. > > 1. From the prefs window, choose classic layout in view tab. > > 2. Now, making sure not to interact with the message table, VO+right just to > the right of it. IF a horizontal spliter is right next to the message table, > the preview pain is visable. > > 3. Interact with this horizontal spliter and make note of the precentage on > the bar. It will usually be between say 35 and 40 percent or so. Slide it > to about 72 percent. causion. Do, NOT, attempt to go further or mail will > jam up. > > 4. Now, cease interacting with this spliter. > > 5. Now, rout mouse or track pad to the splitter via VO+CMD+F5. Needless to > say, make sure track pad commander is off if you are used to using it. > > 6. Now, place a finger at just about the half way point and press down > firmly on pad making sure you feel or hear it click down and hold your finger > there. > > 7. Now, slowly move your finger down as far as it will move. > > 8. Now, remove your finger and check to see where the spliter is. IF you > find the splitter still where it was before, you have not closed the preview > pain. IF the splitter is all the way to the bottom right of the screen, it > is closed. > > 9. Just for good measure, quit mail at this point. > > 10. Now, you can reopen mail and set back to standard view. > > > Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind > built-in! > > Sincerely, > The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! > > On Oct 28, 2013, at 10:09 PM, Teresa Cochran <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Also, when performing these mouse functions, I find that full-screen mode >> gives you much better control. >> >> Hth, >> Teresa >> >> "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too >> dark to read."--Groucho Marx >> >> On Oct 28, 2013, at 2:41 PM, Tim Kilburn <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Just go up in value a little. This is just to make sure that the splitter >>> is moving properly and that the mouse will respond. When using VO to move >>> the splitter, it often won’t let you go all the way to 100% anyway. After >>> you’ve moved it 5 or 10%, then use VO-cmd-f5 to bring mouse focus to the VO >>> cursor, then do the press and drag down thing. VO should announce “Scroll >>> area” if it worked. It’s not extremely important where you start the drag >>> from, but it’s best to do so from the top half of the Trackpad so that you >>> have lots of drag space. >>> >>> Later… >>> >>> Tim Kilburn >>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>> >>> On Oct 28, 2013, at 3:10 PM, Ray Foret Jr <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Ah, okay. >>>> >>>> AS for the tool bar, I discovered that I had curser tracking off and I >>>> fixed that. >>>> >>>> Now, with respect to the value in the horizontal spliter, should I go down >>>> or up in value? I find that if I go up in value, and I hit about 87 >>>> percent, mail suddenly goes busy and I wind up being able to do nothing so >>>> I quit it. Maybe go down to zero in the value and then try the track pad >>>> thingy? >>>> >>>> This almost seems to be a half baked cookie, in a way. >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind >>>> built-in! >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! >>>> >>>> On Oct 28, 2013, at 2:51 PM, Tim Kilburn <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Ray, >>>>> >>>>> I believe that Alex received the initial instructions from an Apple >>>>> Support person. I more or less used some of those instructions along >>>>> with my own experience to come up with my instructions. I, like Alex, >>>>> had everything the way it should be after my update to Mavericks and then >>>>> decided to do some testing after seeing some of the frustration expressed >>>>> on this list. Being the cocky person that I am, I thought I’d have no >>>>> problems. Stupid me. After lots of fussing, some assistance from my >>>>> sighted wife, and some investigation on the web, I determined that this >>>>> is an issue for sighted folks too. >>>>> >>>>> So, I was able to fix things using the steps I outlined after some time >>>>> and frustration. The messed up view where your ToolBar is in an odd >>>>> location is usually fixed after quitting and re-opening Mail. I’m >>>>> wondering if you could add an extra step into this that might help it to >>>>> work for you. When you’ve navigated to the Horizontal Splitter, Interact >>>>> with it, then move with VO-up or VO-down. VO should announce percentage >>>>> values relating to the size of the Preview pane. Now use VO-cmd-f5 to >>>>> route the mouse to the VO location, then perform the drag down of the >>>>> Horizontal Splitter to see if it works for you. Also, for accuracy sake, >>>>> take a look in your VO settings under the Visuals section, make sure that >>>>> your VO Cursor magnification is set to 1. This should make sure that the >>>>> mouse is going where it’s supposed to. >>>>> >>>>> HTH. >>>>> >>>>> Later… >>>>> >>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 28, 2013, at 12:28 PM, Ray Foret Jr <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Okay, >>>>>> >>>>>> After fooling with the instructions to get rid of the preview pain, it’s >>>>>> still there. >>>>>> >>>>>> Problem seems to be that I just cannot get rid of the damn horizontal >>>>>> splitter and make it go to the botton of the mail window. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now, when I open mail, (in standard view) I land on my mail box table >>>>>> and find that as I arrow message to message, it tells me that the >>>>>> message is selected. This would seem to indicate that preview pain is >>>>>> still on. Would I be better off getting rid of the mail preferences >>>>>> file and jus rebuilding the account from scratch? IF so, I cannot seem >>>>>> to find the mail prefs file in Library/Preferences. Seems to me there’s >>>>>> got to be a better way than this. >>>>>> >>>>>> Here’s exactly what I did. >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. Hide tool bar and favorites bar also. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2. Pressed zoom. >>>>>> >>>>>> 3. Go in to the prefs window and select for classic view. >>>>>> >>>>>> 4. Came out of prefs window and noticed that the horizontal splitter >>>>>> was just imedately to the right of the message table. >>>>>> >>>>>> 5. Next, I pressed VO+CMD+F5 to rout the track pad mouse directly to >>>>>> that spliter. >>>>>> >>>>>> 6. Next, pressed down on top of track pad making sure that it clicked >>>>>> when pressed and held finger there. >>>>>> >>>>>> 7. With finger still on track pad, slide finger down till I could move >>>>>> it no longer. Heard nothing change. >>>>>> >>>>>> 8. I then let off the track pad. >>>>>> >>>>>> 9. Now, When I check again, I notice that the horizontal spliter is >>>>>> still right next to the message table. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Now, I’m almost at the end of my rope with this. >>>>>> >>>>>> Did you call >>>>>> 1800-692-7753 >>>>>> to solve this or did you call the special accessibility number? >>>>>> >>>>>> I guess I’ll have to pay for the support since my Apple care is up. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the >>>>>> blind built-in! >>>>>> >>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to [email protected]. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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