Yeah, I tried it with the trackpad and with mouse keys. I succeeded with mouse keys, simply because I don’t always track straight on the trackpad. With mouse keys, you just hold the numpad 2 key down, and it will track straight down off the screen, once you press the numpad 0 key to lock the mouse.
Teresa On the other hand, there are different fingers. On Oct 28, 2013, at 9:07 PM, Cheryl Homiak <[email protected]> wrote: > The problem with this approach is that you have to be excruciatingly careful. > It is correct but I was never able to accomplish it that way. But I know some > are able to do it and that's great! It is not the only way that works though. > > > On Oct 28, 2013, at 11:02 PM, Ray Foret Jr <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Solved issue. Tim was right about his latest suggestion. >> >> 1. From the prefs window, choose classic layout in view tab. >> >> 2. Now, making sure not to interact with the message table, VO+right just >> to the right of it. IF a horizontal spliter is right next to the message >> table, the preview pain is visable. >> >> 3. Interact with this horizontal spliter and make note of the precentage on >> the bar. It will usually be between say 35 and 40 percent or so. Slide it >> to about 72 percent. causion. Do, NOT, attempt to go further or mail will >> jam up. >> >> 4. Now, cease interacting with this spliter. >> >> 5. Now, rout mouse or track pad to the splitter via VO+CMD+F5. Needless to >> say, make sure track pad commander is off if you are used to using it. >> >> 6. Now, place a finger at just about the half way point and press down >> firmly on pad making sure you feel or hear it click down and hold your >> finger there. >> >> 7. Now, slowly move your finger down as far as it will move. >> >> 8. Now, remove your finger and check to see where the spliter is. IF you >> find the splitter still where it was before, you have not closed the preview >> pain. IF the splitter is all the way to the bottom right of the screen, it >> is closed. >> >> 9. Just for good measure, quit mail at this point. >> >> 10. Now, you can reopen mail and set back to standard view. >> >> >> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind >> built-in! >> >> Sincerely, >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! >> >> On Oct 28, 2013, at 10:09 PM, Teresa Cochran <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Also, when performing these mouse functions, I find that full-screen mode >>> gives you much better control. >>> >>> Hth, >>> Teresa >>> >>> "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too >>> dark to read."--Groucho Marx >>> >>> On Oct 28, 2013, at 2:41 PM, Tim Kilburn <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Just go up in value a little. This is just to make sure that the splitter >>>> is moving properly and that the mouse will respond. When using VO to move >>>> the splitter, it often won’t let you go all the way to 100% anyway. After >>>> you’ve moved it 5 or 10%, then use VO-cmd-f5 to bring mouse focus to the >>>> VO cursor, then do the press and drag down thing. VO should announce >>>> “Scroll area” if it worked. It’s not extremely important where you start >>>> the drag from, but it’s best to do so from the top half of the Trackpad so >>>> that you have lots of drag space. >>>> >>>> Later… >>>> >>>> Tim Kilburn >>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>> >>>> On Oct 28, 2013, at 3:10 PM, Ray Foret Jr <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ah, okay. >>>>> >>>>> AS for the tool bar, I discovered that I had curser tracking off and I >>>>> fixed that. >>>>> >>>>> Now, with respect to the value in the horizontal spliter, should I go >>>>> down or up in value? I find that if I go up in value, and I hit about 87 >>>>> percent, mail suddenly goes busy and I wind up being able to do nothing >>>>> so I quit it. Maybe go down to zero in the value and then try the track >>>>> pad thingy? >>>>> >>>>> This almost seems to be a half baked cookie, in a way. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind >>>>> built-in! >>>>> >>>>> Sincerely, >>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 28, 2013, at 2:51 PM, Tim Kilburn <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Ray, >>>>>> >>>>>> I believe that Alex received the initial instructions from an Apple >>>>>> Support person. I more or less used some of those instructions along >>>>>> with my own experience to come up with my instructions. I, like Alex, >>>>>> had everything the way it should be after my update to Mavericks and >>>>>> then decided to do some testing after seeing some of the frustration >>>>>> expressed on this list. Being the cocky person that I am, I thought I’d >>>>>> have no problems. Stupid me. After lots of fussing, some assistance >>>>>> from my sighted wife, and some investigation on the web, I determined >>>>>> that this is an issue for sighted folks too. >>>>>> >>>>>> So, I was able to fix things using the steps I outlined after some time >>>>>> and frustration. The messed up view where your ToolBar is in an odd >>>>>> location is usually fixed after quitting and re-opening Mail. I’m >>>>>> wondering if you could add an extra step into this that might help it to >>>>>> work for you. When you’ve navigated to the Horizontal Splitter, >>>>>> Interact with it, then move with VO-up or VO-down. VO should announce >>>>>> percentage values relating to the size of the Preview pane. Now use >>>>>> VO-cmd-f5 to route the mouse to the VO location, then perform the drag >>>>>> down of the Horizontal Splitter to see if it works for you. Also, for >>>>>> accuracy sake, take a look in your VO settings under the Visuals >>>>>> section, make sure that your VO Cursor magnification is set to 1. This >>>>>> should make sure that the mouse is going where it’s supposed to. >>>>>> >>>>>> HTH. >>>>>> >>>>>> Later… >>>>>> >>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 28, 2013, at 12:28 PM, Ray Foret Jr <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Okay, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> After fooling with the instructions to get rid of the preview pain, >>>>>>> it’s still there. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Problem seems to be that I just cannot get rid of the damn horizontal >>>>>>> splitter and make it go to the botton of the mail window. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now, when I open mail, (in standard view) I land on my mail box table >>>>>>> and find that as I arrow message to message, it tells me that the >>>>>>> message is selected. This would seem to indicate that preview pain is >>>>>>> still on. Would I be better off getting rid of the mail preferences >>>>>>> file and jus rebuilding the account from scratch? IF so, I cannot seem >>>>>>> to find the mail prefs file in Library/Preferences. Seems to me >>>>>>> there’s got to be a better way than this. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Here’s exactly what I did. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. Hide tool bar and favorites bar also. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2. Pressed zoom. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 3. Go in to the prefs window and select for classic view. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 4. Came out of prefs window and noticed that the horizontal splitter >>>>>>> was just imedately to the right of the message table. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 5. Next, I pressed VO+CMD+F5 to rout the track pad mouse directly to >>>>>>> that spliter. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 6. Next, pressed down on top of track pad making sure that it clicked >>>>>>> when pressed and held finger there. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 7. With finger still on track pad, slide finger down till I could move >>>>>>> it no longer. Heard nothing change. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 8. I then let off the track pad. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 9. Now, When I check again, I notice that the horizontal spliter is >>>>>>> still right next to the message table. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now, I’m almost at the end of my rope with this. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Did you call >>>>>>> 1800-692-7753 >>>>>>> to solve this or did you call the special accessibility number? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I guess I’ll have to pay for the support since my Apple care is up. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the >>>>>>> blind built-in! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to [email protected]. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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