On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 11:00:42 -0400 David Abrahams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
DA> Vadim Zeitlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: DA> DA> > On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 20:46:43 -0400 David Abrahams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DA> > DA> > DA> > Ideally we'd have docking windows which would remember their last DA> > DA> > state but failing that the next best thing is probably indeed to DA> > DA> > propose the choice between several standard layouts. This is very DA> > DA> > easy to do, too, of course... DA> > DA> DA> > DA> ...which is what makes it so unbelievable that many programs don't let DA> > DA> you configure it. DA> > DA> > Well, actually it turned out to be not that easy to have the layout which DA> > I would personally like, i.e. this: DA> > DA> > ------------------- DA> > | folder view | DA> > ------------------- DA> > | tree | msg view | DA> > ------------------- DA> > DA> > but allowing the one you want is indeed very simple so I just did it and DA> > you can now have: DA> > DA> > 1. folder tree on the left or on on the right DA> > 2. folder view split vertically or horizontally DA> > 3. folder view on top/left oro n bottom/right Now I am talking out of school because I have not yet seen what you have done Vadim but instead of you pre-deciding how to layout the windows, why do we not just treat the three windows as three undocked windows and let users size and place them as they choose? Then all you have to do is store the windows's origin (x,y) and size (width, height). For all three that only represents 12 integers. DA> > I don't think it's very useful however as I've tried it and on my DA> > (1280*1024) screen it is not very usable: there is not enough space DA> > for all folder view columns, you only see the subject basically DA> > (this is why I'd like to have a layout with wide folder view DA> > above...). We have to remember aesthetics is a difficult thing to dictate :-( I know for me, I use M because it is good in a technical sense and getting incrementally better. I certainly do not use it because it is pretty (for me it is not). DA> > I'd be interested to know if anybody (including you) is going to DA> > actually use this option, if not we would probably have to remove it DA> > later because we already have too many options to afford having the DA> > ones which nobody uses. I certainly will be changing my layout based on what I have read above (subject to seeing how the practice (make) compares to the theory described above. DA> I'm not going to use Mahogany at all until it becomes a newsreader DA> :o(. David, would you be able to find a bit of time for me as QA Manager to elucidate which parts of "News Reader" you need. I would appreciate a view from someone who is remote from the situation and not involved in it on a day to day basis. For some time when I ran Win2K, I also ran Hamster news/mail server which made Mahogany the online News Reader almost as good as an offline news reader. Granted, it has some quirks but it is not as incompetant as it is sometimes made out. If I had to define how it works presently, I would say that, following it's origins, it tends to want to treat News Servers as if they were Imap mail servers. If you can stand the delay while it pulls messages from the server at the opening of each folder, it is useable. Equally granted, it is not yet upto GNKSA ( http://www.xs4all.nl/~js/gnksa/gnksa-evaluations.html ) status yet. I've never bothered but it might be interesting to download the checksheet for the award and see just how it does presently compare. This is something that we the development team discussed some time ago and agreed as a sort of an underlying benchmark to work towards when News Reader's turn for more work comes up. Milestone 2.0 seems a long time away when you are working on 0.66 but all good things come to those who wait (or so I'm assured :-D ) DA> However, if I don't start getting *some* readers to use a reasonable DA> layout today, none will be usable for me even when they get all the DA> other features, and new reader projects will start up without having DA> the neccessary configurability. I urge you to leave the capability DA> in. I am going to be VERY interested in tonight's compile ;-) Thnaks for your input David, Dr. QA ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Mahogany-Developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mahogany-developers
