Hi David,

As you might have noticed, your interest in the bit rotten News Reader seems
to have sparked some work in that direction for which we can only say thanks!

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 20:43:37 -0400 David Abrahams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

DA> Sure.  Basically I want the almost same stuff from news as I want from
DA> the mail part of my reader client.  Since I use an IMAP mail server
DA> the usage model is very nearly the same, except for the fact that I
DA> can't store messages in my own personal folders on NNTP servers ;->
DA> 
DA> I want to be able to use Mahogany much the same way I use GNUs (but
DA> without the horribly tangled architecture and single-threaded
DA> latencies).  Here are some things I get from GNUs that I want to see
DA> everywhere:
DA> 
DA>   Complete control over keyboard mapping

Yes, this is something I've mentioned before. HAving come from Sylpheed, they
have a very nice interface to doing this. Basically you can either edit a .RC
file or more conveniently you can put the mouse over any menu that has a
keyboard shortcut, press the new shortcut you want and it activates the new
shortcut and updates the menus. Where that shortcut is in use elsewhere, it
unassigns it silently from the old reference (might have been nice to have a
warning).

DA>   a local cache of message headers and bodies

Yes, indeed. I think Richard Welty is also of this opinion.

DA>   offline reading of cached messages

As above.

DA>   The ability to see only unread messages

Yes.

DA>   The ability to navigate from an unread message in a thread to its
DA>   read parents or children, or expose the whole thread, with a single
DA>   keystroke

Yes. Once we have threading, this should not be too hard.

DA>   The ability to clean up/deuglify messages quickly (e.g. repair
DA>   wrapping in Outlook replies, wrap long lines, add blank lines
DA>   between reply levels, turning:
DA> 
DA>           >> foo bar baz
DA>           > car boat dog
DA> 
DA>   into:
DA> 
DA>           >> foo bar baz
DA>           >
DA>           > car boat dog

Yes, a sort of Outlook Express Quotefix type program.

DA> Most of these as you can see are not news-specific.  Of course it's
DA> all like water to the fish for me: I don't notice most of what I'm
DA> getting because it just works.  If you have more-specific questions,
DA> please ask.

Not having used Gnus I don't knw what neat facilities it has so it is only
when I run across users like your good self that I (and the other developers)
can get these ideas. As you say, some of this is not news specific and I'm
sure that where appropriate, "cross fertilisation" would occur.

DA> > to want to treat News Servers as if they were Imap mail servers. If
DA> > you can stand the delay while it pulls messages from the server at
DA> > the opening of each folder, it is useable.
DA> 
DA> I can't :(.  It's worse than GNUs in that respect.  It shouldn't have
DA> to do that when entering an IMAP folder either; I have thousands of
DA> messages in my INBOX; I get lots of mail and I like to have a month or
DA> two of history at my fingertips.

Well, I'm a POP person myself not running my own server but I know that Vadim
and some of the other do run IMAP servers so feel free to bug them :-)

Dr. QA




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