I wonder if it would ever work to allow a server to forward a message while including headers that indicate the message had signs of spam. It would only work in the negative direction (this message is spam, but not this message is ham).

I kind of think of in the way the courts do with declarations against interest. They're admissible because the statement is so prejudicial, no one would make it falsely. Likewise, no sender would have an interest in sending an email with spam headers attached, so they had to have been truthfully added by a forwarding server.

--Ted

On 11/8/2017 11:46 AM, Brandon Long via mailop wrote:
GSuite users can also denote a host as an inbound gateway to get around this problem, but I was never able to get the resources to have gmail users have the same ability.  It's possible this is something we could use arc for.

Brandon


On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 11:41 AM Alan Hodgson <ahodg...@lists.simkin.ca <mailto:ahodg...@lists.simkin.ca>> wrote:

    On Wed, 2017-11-08 at 12:20 -0700, Warren Volz wrote:

    All,

    One of my users has their account setup to forward mail to Gmail.
    Recently I've started to see lots of rejects that look like the
    following:

    <us...@gmail.com <mailto:us...@gmail.com>> (expanded from
    <us...@somelocaldomain.net <mailto:us...@somelocaldomain.net>>): host
    gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com
    <http://gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com>[2607:f8b0:400e:c04::1a] said:
    550-5.7.1
    [ipv6 address 18] Our system has detected that
    550-5.7.1 this message is likely suspicious due to the very low
    reputation
    of 550-5.7.1 the sending IP address. To best protect our users
    from spam,
    the 550-5.7.1 message has been blocked. Please visit 550 5.7.1
    https://support.google.com/mail/answer/188131 for more information.
    p26si2014836pli.781 - gsmtp (in reply to end of DATA command)

    I've looked over the forwarding best practices provided by google
    and we are not modifying the envelope sender. I'd rather not start
    throwing away what our filter marks as spam since I leave that up
    to the user, but is that the only way to stop the bounces? Also,
    is the "18]" an artifact or some kind of error?

    Thanks for the help.


    IMO, you really can't forward mail to Gmail; they will block you if
    you forward any spam at all.

    Gmail accounts can be setup to pull mail in via POP-3, that's a far
    better way for them to get their mail.
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