Honestly, that sounds like someone else thinks that's their account... unless I'm misinterpreting what you're saying. I have a couple friends with common name accounts, and they get a lot of mail obviously meant for other people.
Anyhoo, that's its own major issue that's complicated by sites with lack of coi, of course. In any case, I fail to see how not using unsubscribe in that case is useful, but to each their own. Brandon On Thu, Jan 16, 2020, 6:49 PM Mark Foster <blak...@blakjak.net> wrote: > I couldn't help but respond to this one... > > > I'd say if it's even remotely gray mail, and not pure spam, go for the > > unsubscribe. On Gmail, we only provide a ui unsub link if the sender > > reputation is ok, for example, but arguably anything from a mainstream > esp > > or company is fine to unsub from. I see a lot of local companies and > > non-profits who have bad sending practices and often go to spam that are > > completely fine to unsub from, for example, and helps clear out the spam > > label to make it easier to find the false positives. > > > > This is also informed both by the prevalence of spam (something like 90% > > of > > active users get a spam a week) and the effectiveness of our spam > filters. > > When I see other folks saying they don't get much spam, only 5 or more > > messages a day past their filters... I can understand why they don't want > > to get anymore. > > > > I have a gmail account. It's used for 'some' email but not the vast > majority - I have my own domains and MTA for that. > But the gmail account is used for some mailing lists I use relatively > infrequently, and I also use it for other Google services, particular the > Calendar. > Sure. > > The amount of spam I receive to gmail is not insignificant. > I'm in New Zealand, yet i've somehow managed to book travel, accomodation > and rental vehicles all across the USA. I've somehow managed to opt-in to > various news services in India. > And i'm on alumni distribution lists for several education providers > (again mostly in the USA). > > Every single one of these emails is spam to my mind, because I did not > opt-in. I did not publically disclose my email address. I never emailed > these organisations. > Each one probably has a vaguely legitimate or perhaps even positive sender > reputation (in all cases I click 'report as spam' and I get the dialogue > that asks whether I want to unsubscribe, which I never do). > > So it's not about being grey, it really does come down to, did I opt-in in > any way, shape or form, or not? > That opt-in may include legitimately doing business with that > organisation. And if it were my commercial email address, i'd have to > view that question in a commercial context.... > > At work, unsolicited emails from vendors where _others_ in my organisation > hold the relationship, and i've never corresponded with them - are still > spam in my eyes. Usually overzealous marketing types, and usually > corrected via our account management, along with an apology. > But to my personal gmail account? Which I use in a very small number of > places? As much as a lot of spam _is_ filtered successfully, plenty more > isn't, event legit senders frequently don't have effective double-opt-in > and from half way around the world, finding an out-of-band way to > report/complain/resolve the issue is almost impossible. So the > report-as-spam button gets a bit of use. > > I still like the New Zealand legal definitions of consent, quite a bit of > work was done to define the various types of consent and what that means. > https://www.dia.govt.nz/Spam-Frequently-Asked-Questions#con > > Cheers > Mark. > > > > I don't believe spammers are really selling clean lists, our experience > is > > they email everyone they possibly can. Maybe there are some dark gray > > spammers who try to use various legitimate delivery techniques to curate > > their lists and expand their inboxing, but they seem to mostly want to > > work > > around spam filter weaknesses instead of trying to be more legit. > > > > Brandon > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > mailop mailing list > > mailop@mailop.org > > https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop > > > > >
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