Sorry, late to the game...

On 4/17/2022, John Levine via mailop wrote:
It appears that Tobias Fiebig via mailop <[email protected]> said:
If your friends somehow believe that Gmail is the only mail provider in the 
world I suppose I am sorry for them but I don't understand why that is anyone 
else's problem.

The idea is that you give away something for free, gain significant market 
share (=network effect), and then get into a position where you can first push 
standards (hello
MTA-STS), and later can migrate to a walled garden, ...

Uh, what? Google follows public mail standards at least as well as
their large competitors like YahAOL and Microsoft. You do not have to
like MTA-STS, but it's an open IETF standard and there's a lot more
providers than Google that use it.


I'm going to disagree. To the best of my knowledge Yahoo, Vz, AOL, or Microsoft do NOT re-queue messages after receiving a 5xx response -- Qmail does.

I don't know if this is because their system expects a specific text response, if they expect enhanced status codes (even when the remote doesn't respond to EHLO with ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES), of if Google simply believes that sender's policy trumps receivers policy.

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SgtChains
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