Hello,

This is my first reply/post ever, I hope it helps. 
A way to reproduce would be to use your own gmail address to send email to your 
server, block your email address in the incoming rules of the server while 
assigning a 5xx code to it, send the message from gmail and wait for a bounce 
back. Also check the log on your server.


Sincerely,
Jose Morales
Rackspace Email


-----Original Message-----
From: "Bill Cole via mailop" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2022 3:02pm
To: "Larry M. Smith via mailop" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [mailop] [E] $GOOG

On 2022-04-18 at 13:32:07 UTC-0400 (Mon, 18 Apr 2022 12:32:07 -0500)
Larry M. Smith via mailop <[email protected]>
is rumored to have said:

> Sorry, late to the game...
>
> On 4/17/2022, John Levine via mailop wrote:
>> It appears that Tobias Fiebig via mailop <[email protected]> said:
>>>> If your friends somehow believe that Gmail is the only mail provider in 
>>>> the world I suppose I am sorry for them but I don't understand why that is 
>>>> anyone else's problem.
>>>
>>> The idea is that you give away something for free, gain significant market 
>>> share (=network effect), and then get into a position where you can first 
>>> push standards (hello
>>> MTA-STS), and later can migrate to a walled garden, ...
>>
>> Uh, what? Google follows public mail standards at least as well as
>> their large competitors like YahAOL and Microsoft. You do not have to
>> like MTA-STS, but it's an open IETF standard and there's a lot more
>> providers than Google that use it.
>>
>
> I'm going to disagree.  To the best of my knowledge Yahoo, Vz, AOL, or 
> Microsoft do NOT re-queue messages after receiving a 5xx response -- Qmail 
> does.


Did you mean "GMail?"

FWIW, I've not seen GMail (or Qmail) do that. Do you know how to reproduce it?


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(AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses)
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