That definitely wins for the least necessary brain dump into the mailing
list I've seen this year. Even this message I'm sending to it now can't
compete.
On 2026-06-13 01:54, Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop wrote:
Dnia 13.06.2026 o godz. 03:27:23 John Levine via mailop pisze:
According to Brian Knight via mailop <[email protected]>:
>Honest question -- are there any hosting networks that do a particularly
>great job at keeping spammers away? I'd be happy to move my server.
Panix in NYC is a very old very well run ISP. You can do mail hosting
but you
need to open a ticket to ask to get mail ports unblocked and explain
why you
need it. panix.com
Also look at Tornado VPS tornadovps.com whosse motto is "We do not
assume you are stupid"
They allow sending mail by default, but I have never seen spam from
them. They mean what
they say. If you ask reasonable questions, you get reasonable
answers. Dumb questions,
not so much.
There's one very interesting thing both in the original question and
John's
answer.
OP did not specify what country he lives in. John responds mentioning
one
provider from USA, and the other also in unspecified country.
Either John knows for sure that OP lives in the USA - in this case
there's
no issue - or we have here an example of something that is widely known
on
the Internet as "USA defaultism": an implicit assumption that everybody
who
participates in an Internet discussion lives in the USA.
Often, for eg. legal and financial reasons, it is preferred - or even
necessary - to host your server in the country you are living in (or at
least
with a company that has an official presence in the country you are
living
in), and this is the main factor influencing the choice of a provider.
I
hope we'll all remember that when such questions arise.
Just my "trzy grosze" (in USA you would probably say "$0.02", but I
want to
avoid "USA defaultism" here ;)).
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