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This is certainly an odd and interesting map. Another possibility is that it
might be a "historical map" created relatively recently for instructional
purposes, possibly in a history text book. I note that it bears a stamp for a
Mexican ministry "de Instruccion Publica y Belles Artes." The presence of
Mission San Diego on a map of that date seems extremely unlikely. Although I
am no expert on Mexican maps, I expect that a careful analysis of place names
would show other anachronisms. It seems odd that a not-yet existent mission
should be shown in San Diego, while none of the Jesuit missions that were
flourishing in Baja California in the seventeenth century are shown.
David Allen
Encinitas, CA
In a message dated 03/26/11 10:32:56 Pacific Daylight Time,
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There is however an indication on the map that it could in fact date from the
last decade of the 17th century: the text at the top says that the map was made
"Por orden de S.M.N. el Sº Virrey de la Nueva España Dº. Gaspar de la Cerda
Silva y Mendoza..."
Gaspar de la Cerda was viceroy of New Spain between November 1688 and February
1696. He faced several revolts, most notably in 1692. (see a quite long
biography in Wikipedia)
The text on the map mentions revolts ("...los indios facieron muchos desacatos
y mal (...) y se amotinan..."), which is consistent with the traumatic events
endured by Gaspar de la Cerda. The text implies that the eclipse was the
ultimate cause of these revolts.
There are two other persons cited on the map, in the text at the bottom left
corner: Manuel de Segura, "oidor" of the Audiencia of Guadalajara; and Captain
Nernasio (?) de Siguenza. If someone could provide biographic information on
these two men then the date of the map could be established quite firmly.
Regards,
Luis A. Robles Macías
2011/3/25 Joel Kovarsky <[email protected]>
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On 3/25/2011 6:25 PM, strebe wrote:
Given that Mission San Diego was not established until 1769, the interpretation
of the date on the map as the year of construction or publication is not likely
correct.
Regards,
— daan Strebe
In addition to the above, which clearly indicates a date after 1688, the map
shows California as peninsular, very likely indicating a date after Father
Kino's work in the early 18th century (1705 as the date of the printed map
based on earlier manuscript drawings). An image of that 1705 map can be seen
here (map no. 3 on that page):
<http://www2.lib.virginia.edu/exhibits/onthemap/index.php/themes/17th-century/following-a-different-path/>.
Joel Kovarsky
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