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It seems that the eclipse on the Mexican map dated 1688 is real and from the solar eclipse of August 23, 1691. This was a long duration eclipse of 6 minutes over southern Mexico. See http://xjubier.free.fr/en/site_pages/solar_eclipses/xSE_GoogleMapFull.php?Ecl=+16910823&Acc=2&Umb=1&Lmt=1&Mag=0 In two histories of Mexico, I found reference to this 1691 eclipse as frightening the population. That led me to find this description of this eclipse in Spanish which comes close to describing the fear and loathing of the map text. See http://foro.nayaritas.net/viewtopic.php?t=744&view=previous&sid=45017ddb313edc9b6d3d7d88f7cb1e0d or the google translation into English at http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://foro.nayaritas.net/viewtopic.php%3Ft%3D744%26view%3Dprevious%26sid%3D45017ddb313edc9b6d3d7d88f7cb1e0d&ei=8FiOTZTBB5C6sQPizcSYCQ&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&sqi=2&ved=0CCYQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522don%2Bgaspar%2Bde%2Bla%2Bcerda%2522%2Beclipse%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dsafari%26rls%3Den%26prmd%3Divnsb On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Dyallen2 <[email protected]> wrote: > This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the > whole list) > o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + > > > This is certainly an odd and interesting map. Another possibility is that it > might be a "historical map" created relatively recently for instructional > purposes, possibly in a history text book. I note that it bears a stamp for > a Mexican ministry "de Instruccion Publica y Belles Artes." The presence of > Mission San Diego on a map of that date seems extremely unlikely. Although I > am no expert on Mexican maps, I expect that a careful analysis of place names > would show other anachronisms. It seems odd that a not-yet existent mission > should be shown in San Diego, while none of the Jesuit missions that were > flourishing in Baja California in the seventeenth century are shown. > > David Allen > Encinitas, CA > > > > In a message dated 03/26/11 10:32:56 Pacific Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > There is however an indication on the map that it could in fact date from the > last decade of the 17th century: the text at the top says that the map was > made "Por orden de S.M.N. el Sº Virrey de la Nueva España Dº. Gaspar de la > Cerda Silva y Mendoza..." > > Gaspar de la Cerda was viceroy of New Spain between November 1688 and > February 1696. He faced several revolts, most notably in 1692. (see a quite > long biography in Wikipedia) > > The text on the map mentions revolts ("...los indios facieron muchos > desacatos y mal (...) y se amotinan..."), which is consistent with the > traumatic events endured by Gaspar de la Cerda. The text implies that the > eclipse was the ultimate cause of these revolts. > > There are two other persons cited on the map , in the text at the bottom left > corner: Manuel de Segura, "oidor" of the Audiencia of Guadalajara; and > Captain Nernasio (?) de Siguenza. If someone could provide biographic > information on these two men then the date of the map could be established > quite firmly. > > Regards, > Luis A. Robles Macías > > 2011/3/25 Joel Kovarsky <[email protected]> >> >> This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the >> whole list) >> o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + >> On 3/25/2011 6:25 PM, strebe wrote: >>> >>> Given that Mission San Diego was not established until 1769, the >>> interpretation of the date on the map as the year of construction or >>> publication is not likely correct. >>> >>> Regards, >>> — daan Strebe >> >> In addition to the above, which clearly indicates a date after 1688, the map >> shows California as peninsular, very likely indicating a date after Father >> Kino's work in the early 18th century (1705 as the date of the printed map >> based on earlier manuscript drawings). An image of that 1705 map can be seen >> here (map no. 3 on that page): >> <http://www2.lib.virginia.edu/exhibits/onthemap/index.php/themes/17th-century/following-a-different-path/>. >> >> Joel Kovarsky >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >> hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. >> The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >> the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >> Utrecht. 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