Hi Tom.... hi Charles... I think the question is not about how much time it will take to create a new NGO to migrate the domains... but WHO is going to do that. The obvious answer is "the community"... That´s the point. The Brazilian TDF members should join in a new NGO, protect our contents and everything should be migrated to libreoffice.org domains. Simple, not? I would like... I wish I could see all the people around here working as one voice. As brazilian I´m sorry not all the people here has the same interests about LibreOffice. People inside TDF Our goal is to help LibO to grow without asking anything in change. I work for it... but I can´t talk for someone else.
*Helmar Fernandes *===================== Ubuntu user #33596 Maverick Meerkat 10.10 www.penguim.net/pocosdecaldas On 10 May 2011 09:10, Tom Davies <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi :) > > Ok, so the domains are safe until after the existing NGO is closed down? > So, > the next problem is to see if the NGO can remain open until after the new > NGO is > created? > > > Does the existing NGO have to be shut-down fast or can it wait a little > while? > A sub-question is "How long do you estimate it will take to open a new > NGO?" > > Regards from > Tom :) > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Paulo de Souza Lima <[email protected]> > To: Tom Davies <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] > Sent: Tue, 10 May, 2011 2:21:58 > Subject: Re: Brazilian domains (was: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] PR > translations) > > 2011/5/9 Tom Davies <[email protected]> > > > Hi :) > > There is a lot of complex detail in every post to this thread. Please > can > > we try to solve 1 problem at a time? > > > > Paulo, is there a danger of losing the Brazilian websites due to > Brazilian > > law? If that danger does exist then is it a problem that needs to be > solved > > urgently? > > > > The websites itself? No. Domains? maybe. Until the NGO is not completely > undone (legaly talking...) the domains are safe. Once the NGO is competely > over, the domain must be transfered to another NGO (and it MUST be an NGO, > not a person or a private company). I suppose that ALTA could "kindly" > offer > to do that, but if you decide it it will be a proof that TDF members are > not > reliable for Brazilian Community. Sorry for these words, but it's the crude > truth. > > > > > > IF that is an imminent danger then perhaps the Brazilian Community could > > use TDF (or whichever organisation currently owns TDF's assets) to solve > > it? Perhaps by 'giving' the websites/domains to TDF (perhaps just > > temporarily)? This suggestion assumes that part/all of the Brazilian > > Community are going to be properly represented on the TDF steering > committee > > and at all levels of TDF. Both the TDF and the Brazilian OCmmunities > seem > > to want this. If TDF needs an official office in Brazil then that would > > probably have to be run by the Brazilian Community, funded by them and > > administered by them. There might be some chance of organising things a > > little differently but that seems (to me) to be the most obvious way to > save > > the existing websites. > > > > I have already posted this issue to the main Brazilian mailing list. > Community is deliberating and soon we are going to have an answer. My > feeling is that we're gonna to register another domain or to use one > already > registered for our old website and increase the speed of our content > migration to TDF websites. As I stated before, personally, I really don't > care who will own libreoffice.org.br domain name. And I think people in > the > community doesn't care at all. But.... as I said before: giving the > ownership to the people who are threatening us will be a shame and an > insult. > > But, yet, my first question is not answered: Why North American Community > can use the brand in their domain name and Brazilian Community can't? This > is a real strage behavior. > > And I have another question: Will we be allowed to use that brand in our > magazine, once it's a real contribution to Libreoffice marketing? > > > > Details about naming conventions, branding, diversifying, logos, specific > > individuals actions, conspiracies and all the rest of the tangled issues > > discussed in this thread are hopefully irrelevant so that the 1 problem > of > > avoiding losing assets (domains/websites) can be sorted out quickly if > > required. > > > > I don't think so. It's the same than hiding our heads in the ground and > waiting for the storm to end. There are a lot of unexplained things in the > relationship between TDF, Brazilian Community and Brazilian TDF founders > and > members, and that's not good for real trust and cooperation. But, many > people prefer that way and I'm not the one who will tell those people how > to > deal with those problems. I think they are adults enough to deal with them. > > One thing I have with me for a long time in my life: every action has > consequences, including inaction. > > > > > > My only 1st question is "Is there a danger of the Brazilian legal system > > closing websites or domains soon?" > > Regards from > > Tom :) > > > > I have answered your question above, I think. Let me know if you have any > doubts. > > Best regards. > > -- > <http://pt-br.libreoffice.org> > Paulo de Souza Lima > Técnico em Eletrônica e Administrador > http://www.pasl.net.br > http://almalivre.wordpress.com > Curitiba - PR > Linux User #432358 > Ubuntu User #28729 > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [email protected] > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [email protected] > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [email protected] Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
