On 1/30/19 12:00 PM, Italo Vignoli wrote:
... Thunderbird - who shows the donation message at every launch of the program, so even multiple times per day - but I have not seen any similar complaints on Thunderbird support mailing lists.
I have used Thunderbird on a daily basis for over 10 years and also frequently set it up for all of our office users (about 50 computers). I never see advertising in Thunderbird (60.2.1 64bit on Ubuntu) and I can't recall ever having seen it - let alone having it pop up and request a response to dismiss it. So quite honestly I have no idea what you are talking about - I am completely unaware of any Thunderbird advertising. However, I couldn't help immediately noticing and disliking the advertisement as soon as it started in LibreOffice 6.1.
Thanks to the involvement of volunteers and to donations money we are able to organize events around FOSDEM, the LibreOffice Conference, pay for volunteer travels to events either internationally or locally, have a team who manages the day to day activities of the foundation, and so on.
Yes - and this has been happening for a very long time, without any assistance from pop-up, in-app advertisements.
On 1/30/19 12:16 PM, Mike Saunders wrote:
Hi Justin, I've read many hundreds of feedback messages across those channels since the release of LibreOffice 6.1, and haven't seen a *single* complaint (or even mention) relating to the "Get involved" infobar.
In the ESC meeting, pretty much every person (including those pro-Infobar) indicated that being asked to "GetInvolved" was irritating when they were already involved. Nobody has seen the "Donate" request yet (since LO 6.2 isn't released yet), and that's why I want to avert the negative response that a donor will feel when his financial contribution is also overlooked.
And now my personal view: I think we are absolutely right to keep it. Even if a few people find it naggy (and again, given that I've seen no mention of it on social media, I don't think it's many), I think it's extremely important that we remind people: this software doesn't just happen by magic. It's the hard work of a community and ecosystem members. If you want it to keep improving, contribute back.
The vast majority of users are incapable of meaningfully contributing towards any software program (except of course with money). For example, I would love to add tons of comments to the code - but since I don't understand the code well, it is better for me not to document my inaccurate thoughts, and I certainly do not want to turn to the help manual to find someone's random opinion on how to accomplish some task. FOSS does not want to target the general non-passionate user. It wants to target tech-savvy, self-motivated, idealistic folks. You know, the kind of people who will seek out the information they want, not those who must have it flashed in front of their eyes.
I do want it to keep improving. That's why I bring up this topic - because what I see is definitely not an end-user improvement and this is the only avenue remaining for me to positively contribute.