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Who said anything about your revolutionary principles? I asked you to explain what you meant concretely by the terms defense of the Morales government from subversion. I suggested we might want to look at the material determinations of the struggle in Bolivia to clarify exactly what and who the MAS represents. None of that is "ideological." None of that is an attempt to turn you into an enemy of the revolution. Actually, it is more often the case that those who seem to share your "defense" of these types of governments from "subversion" slur those who question that defense by describing them as enemies of the people, collaborators with imperialism, etc. You don't want to reopen the debate? That's absurd. The debate will present itself as long as the issues themselves are not resolved. Do I think any new ideas, clarifications can come out of this debate? Call me a pollyanna, but yeah, I certainly do think clarification can be achieved, sharpened, and those reading the debate might be moved to say, read Mariategui for themselves-- or look at the history of Bolivia, the drama of the "national revolution" as played out before in the MNR government of 1952-1964, and even look at the economy of Bolivia from 1996 on. Hell, some few might even go way, way back and try and get a grasp on the legacy of the haciendas, the mining, indentured labor, the indentured labor as a tax... all those things that make up the real Bolivia, not the imaginary one of socialist generals. I think if you actually look back at my contributions to the list-- let's say about China, or Ecuador, or railroads, the content has not been to expose anyone but to take exception to the mythology of "developmentalism" But hey, keep on keepin' on, with your pretense at "delicate balances" and grasping "Marxism" while actually avoiding any examination of what is actually being grasped. Don't let me interfere. As for my boorish tendencies-- that's a hoot, given your self-admitted schmuckism. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louis Proyect" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [Marxism] Bolivia's Army Declares itself Socialist ________________________________________________ Send list submissions to: [email protected] Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
