Javad Eskandarpour wrote:
> Comrade Brian,
>
> In relation to your comments, I would like to make the following remarks
> concerning those issues with a possible "ambiguous" language on my part.
> (1)In my previous commentary on Zionism, I have not considered "a broader
> Jewish conspiracy to dominate the world".
> So, if this is the case, then I do not see any "ambiguous" language
> regarding the text of my comments unless one unconsciously projects the
> "Jewish conspiracy" of the neo-Nazis on my comments. Also, the "Jewish
> conspiracy" theory is a non-class idea which is propagated by racist
> capitalists of other religious affiliation, like racist "Christian"
> capitalists. So, Marxist-Leninists do not succump to that quagmire of
> theoretical confusion to entertain themselves with this "Jewish conspiracy"
> theory. The rejection of the "Jewish conspiracy" theory does not mean that
> Marxist-Leninists do not see the international Zionism as another strong
> tentacle of the parasitic Imperialism to maintain the rule of Capital.
> (2)Another point that you see as a problem in my previous comments on
> Zionism is "the international Zionism". As I mentioned before, I do not
> entertain the "Jewish conspiracy" theory. So, if this is the case, then by
> "the international Zionism" I refer to the ruling fascist state of Israel
> and its "pagan" international supporters, the World Zionist Oranisation with
> its front oranizations which make the existence of the fascist state of
> Israel possible through their political lobbying in different countries to
> secure a tremendous finacial "loans", mostly as "gifts", and through their
> efforts to make a large financial contribution of "Diaspora" possible,
> mostly Zionist billionaires and millionaires. Of course, this
> characterization is a tip of the iceberg of "the international Zionism" but
> sufficient at this moment of our discussion.
> (3)Regarding Milan's comment on "Zionist Mafia connected with Yeltsin", I do
> not know what he means exactly by "their intention
> was to destroy completely Russia." But my understanding of his comment is
> that the "Zionist Mafia" was to destroy the Russian Fderation completely in
> regard to its remaining socialist structure because I assume that Milan
> would comment on this matter as a communist. In this connection, I would
> like to mention that there was a sufficient deadly presence of the
> international Zionism, as a strong tentacle of the world Imperialism,in the
> Soviet Union and the CPSU in the persons of Alexander Yakovlevs and other
> known and unknown "tycoons" who own major resources of production in the
> Russian Federation today. Of course, it goes without saying that in the
> collapse of the USSR and the rule of Capital around the world, the world
> imperilaism acted and acts as a whole parasitic organism with its different
> cooperating and vicious competing tentacles at the same time, which includes
> the international Zionism as one of its strong tentacle among other more or
> less ones. Thus, the exposition and struggle against the international
> Zionism is not to "forget" (as some "communists" and "open-minded" liberals
> use this cheap but deceiving propogada that if one begins analysing the role
> of the international Zionism first, then one "forgets" the role of other
> elements in the collapse of the USSR at the expense of the international
> Zionism; thus, one must be an anti-Semite!) the other more or less strong
> tentacles of the vicious parasitic world Imperialism but to discuss any
> subject and issue specifically and historically.
> Javad
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: James Brian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: April 14, 2001 5:17:54 AM GMT
> Subject: [MLL]Zionism is Fascism!
>
> Javad,
>
> I agree that Isreali zionism is a form of fascism, but
> I'm a little troubled by your references to
> "international zionism." By that do you mean the
> international community of supporters of Israeli
> zionism, or a broader Jewish conspiracy to dominate
> the world kind of zionism as is promoted by
> neo-fascists? I assume you mean the former, but your
> language is ambiguous.
>
> As I see it, there are two major concepts of zionism,
> or alleged zionism. 1) the type we are seeing in
> Isreal, based on the heretical sect of Judaism which
> decided to claim a father land in defiance of Talmudic
> laws forbidding it - the form of zionism that has been
> politicised and sanctified in the Western World as a
> progressive human rights cause since WWII and the
> Holocaust. 2) The fascist and neo-fascist paranoiac
> conspiracy fantasy that there is, and has been for
> centuries, an international Jewish conspiracy to take
> over the world through politics and finance - an
> underground cabal working in tandem with the UN,
> Washington and the Kremlin to bring about the New
> World Order, or some such variation of nonsense.
>
> The problem that you complain about, and I agree with
> you, is that if you criticise #1, you get accused of
> being sympathetic to #2. This is partly so because the
> fascist types deliberately mix 1 and 2 together in
> order to make 2 appear more real. Therefore I think it
> is important for anti-fascists to keep in mind a clear
> distinction between the two, in order to prevent this
> confusion from ocurring.
>
> That said, there is something in Milan's statement you
> didn't pick up on but which I find problematic. Quote:
>
> "Just a week a go, President of our Party (Vladimir
> Dapcevic, 84) told us on CC a lot of things about
> Zionist Mafia connected with Yeltsin. Their intention
> was to destroy completely Russia."
>
> What we are being told here is that the disastrous
> situation in Russia today was intentionally brought
> about by a Jewish conspiracy linked to Yeltsin. This
> puts us clearly in the category of #2 above - the
> conspiracy of the international Jew to destroy nation
> states through secret political alliances, and take
> them over financially. I don't need to remind you that
> in the 1920s the national reactionaries in Germany
> placed much of the blame for the troubles of Weimar on
> a similar Jewish conspiracy. And I hear antisemitism
> has been on the rise in Russia since the Soviet break
> up. So what are we to make of this claim about
> zionists destroying Russia?
>
> Again, can you clarify what you mean by "international
> zionism?"
>
> Brian James
>
> ----------
> Original message:
>
> Javad Eskandarpour:
> First point: Marxist-Leninists are not against any
> Jewish person who is not
> a member or sympathizer of the fascist international
> Zionism, but are
> against Zionists whether or not they are Jewish.
>
> Second point: Marxist-Leninists do not take side with
> the Zionist front
> organizations in different countries, for example ADL
> in the U.S., because
> two different forms of fascism, the international
> Zionism and various
> neo-Nazi oranizations are competing with each other to
> maintain the
> imperialist tyranny. But taking no side with the
> Zionist front oranizations
> against the neo-Nazi oranizations does not mean that
> Marxist-Leninists
> unintentionally take side with the neo-Nazi
> oranizations because
> Marxist-Leninists oranizations and parties follow
> their own independent
> political policies towards both of these different
> forms of fascism. In
> other words, Marxist-Leninists reject this false
> political dilemma of either
> support the Zionist front oranizations or
> unintentionally end up supporting
> the neo-Nazi oranizations.
>
> Third point: Some "communists" naively bite the
> following political bait of
> the international Zionism when it comes to the
> Hitlerite atrocities against
> the Jewish people: anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism.
>
> Fourth point: Some "communists" intentionally push the
> idea of the
> international Zionism that anti-Zionism is
> anti-Semitism in the political
> writings of Marxist-Leninist oranizations and parties.
> These "communists"
> are Zionist agents. If this is the case, then
> Marxist-Leninists must act in
> a revolutionary manner and expose these agents of the
> internatonal Zionism
> instead of ignoring and keeping silence on the deadly
> presence of this
> international parasite.
> Javad
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: "Partija rada" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: April 13, 2001 2:16:05 PM GMT
> Subject: Re: [MLL]Zionism is Fascism!
>
> Dear Javad!
> You have a right. Just a week a go, President of our
> Party (Vladimir
> Dapcevic, 84) told us on CC a lot of things about
> Zionist Mafia connected
> with Yeltsin. Their intention was to destroy
> completely Russia. On the other
> hand, we have example of Israel which use fascistic
> policy against
> Palestinians. I do not wish to explain that I (nor our
> Party) do not have
> anything against Jews, but practice is what is
> important for
> Marxist-Leninists.
> Milan
>
My reply,
Leaving aside his occasionally convoluted terminology Javad's arguments
are considerably more accurate in this matter than those of his critics. In
simple terms: Anti-Zionism, which Marxists support, does not equal
anti-Semitism, which Marxists oppose. All Zionists are not Jews and all Jews
are not Zionists by any means. The attempt to squelch opposition to Zionism by
labeling its opponents as anti-Semitic is a capitalist ruse that has been
practiced for years and is no more valid now than the first time its horrific
head emerged from the muck. Palestinians who are opposed to the Zionist
movement but not Judaism have been repeatedly and erroneously branded
anti-Semitic for propaganda purposes. Not without good reason did the United
Nations pass a resolution branding Zionism as racism.
For the cause,
Klo
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