> > Of course there is a big difference between the DP and RP. There is also a > big difference between liberalism and Marxism. I created Marxmail as a > place for discussions between Marxists, not between Marxists and liberals. > Across the Internet, there are a zillion places where you can hear about > Trump the fascist and the need to vote for Biden. Charles even created a > mailing list that incorporated such a perspective. In the meantime, > Charles has to understand that this mailing list has a narrower focus and > will respect that. People like Charles, who is a long-time supporter of > the CPUSA, do not want to make the mistake of trying to win people to the > CP by repeated posts hailing its vanguard role. It will only backfire. My > advice to him and anybody else out there who has a favorite Leninist group > is to try to find a way to participate here without going against the > grain.
Louis, I am far enough to the left,that I see the differences between the two as miniscule. This is one point, where both far left communists, and far right libertrians both agree. The fact is, both parties are capitalist, imperialist, war mongring parties. As such, there is no reason any self respecting Marxist should support either of them. Progressives have been trying to pull the Democratic Party to the left, since the days when Jimmy Carter introduced neoliberalism into the DP, as a result of the shellacking McGovern received in 1972. How has that worked out for the left? If I am not mistaken, the CPUSA has been supporting Democrats since at least the 1930s. This practice would have made some sense during the time of the New Deal ,but Truman soon brought the Dems back to its reactionary, racist, ultranationalist roots. The DSA seems to suffer from a perpetual identity crisis. Do they want to be a genuine M-L organization, or merely a progressive auxillary of the DP? As long as the DSA remains so divided, they will never make any real progress. Louis, I ask you, and others on this list, what type of organization should one form if one wishes to build a large revolutionary vanguard movement, whose eventual goal is to break free of the bonds of capitalism, and all that capitalism can bring. Imperialism, white supremacy, war, sexism, heteronormativity, speciesism, environmental destruction etc. It is our job as Marxists to educate the public at large, that all these problems have capitalism as its root cause. This can only be done through building a large enough revolutionary vanguard. This takes real leadership, something that has been sorely lacking on the left, ever since the movements of the 60s fell apart. While I could never condone actions, such as those taken in Washington, on January,6 ,it does reflect on how the right is able to organize mass movements, and has been for the last 40+ years of its contemporary history. The likes of The Proud Boys, and QAnon, not only can trace their roots back to the KKK 150 years ago, Nazi Germany, and the America First groups of Nazi sympathizers, of the 1930s, but also to more recent movements, like the Moral Majority, and The Tea Party. I trust most of you have seen the size of the crowd, that was assembled outside the Capitol, while QAnon Shaman, and his boys went about their rampage inside. What movements has the left been able to build, that can compare to anything the right has done in recent decades, in terms of size, scope, and influence on society? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#5448): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/5448 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/79487819/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. -=-=- Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/8674936/1316126222/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
