I’ve long maintained that it's primarly a conflict between NATO and Russia with 
Ukraine as a de facto NATO forward base, Mark. That’s no secret and I’m not 
alone in that belief. I do think Ukraine within this context has had some 
agency in the matter, as you put it, which is why I drew attention in my 
comment to the authors' departure from the conventional narrative "in 
suggesting that the Ukrainians were not simply the pawns of the Western powers 
but exercised some autonomy in both fashioning the deal with the Russians and 
then scuttling it. ”

I don’t think describing my position as “campist” contributes much to the 
discussion, any more than the other side using pejorative terms like “State 
Department leftist” to discredit yours.


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