I'd like to thank Mark for his common sense replies and interventions into what are often extremist positions on various fronts. Reading well-reasoned replies makes the list invaluable for me. Thanks also to all the other moderators like David Walters, Les, and others, whom I also do not know. You've kept the list going and I'm convinced you are doing important work. All the very best to all of you ~Richard Menec (bookseller)
On Mon, Nov 25, 2024 at 10:32 PM Mark Baugher via groups.io <mark= [email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Nov 25, 2024, at 7:37 PM, Duane Filan via groups.io <filanduane= > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > Mark > > You didn't note the Banderite fascists. We've already had this debate. > The campists lost. > > ////////// > > > > Ukraine myth series - > > Myth 1: The Maidan uprising of 2014 was a "US-orchestrated coup" > > Sept 9, 2023 by Michael Karadjis > > I don't know why this is addressed to me: > https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/33738 says nothing about a > US-orchestrated coup > > > > "...unless they think that people have no agency (or no right to agency) > and that these kinds of numbers can all be manipulated by the CIA, Victoria > Nolan, Hunter Biden etc. Were all these hundreds of thousands of people in > the streets, and every member of parliament personally bribed? > > Where did I say anything remotely like that? It's Duane's second slander > for the day. > > > That the U S (or others) will always try to influence, to co-opt a > movement is of course a given. But that is no reason to oppose a popular > uprising or mass mobilization and hence essentially give support to a > corrupt and repressive regime being overthrown. > > When did I oppose the popular uprising that occurred in Ukraine ten years > ago? > > > > > "Coup in this case seems to be an updated version of the infamous term > "colour revolution" a nonsense concept invented by the tankies" > > It's not useful to put a minus sign wherever a perceived opponent writes > "plus." It's possible to both support Ukrainian self determination and, at > the same time, recognize that the US did encourage the mass uprising, as it > often does solely to weaken an opponent - in this case, Russia. It's also a > fact that the US has a history of betraying mass movements, e.g. Iraqi Shia > and Kurds in 1991. The Assistant Secretary of State was getting everything > she wanted from Maidan, so why publicly encourage the overthrow of Putin's > guy? Socialists want the overthrow of the system not just the overthrow of > Putin's guy, i.e. more of the same but in a different color. > > And as I actually wrote in https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/33738, > none of this lessens support for self determination of the Ukrainian people. > > Mark > > > > > theirimperialismandours.com > > > > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#33751): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/33751 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/109752225/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. #4 Do not exceed five posts a day. -=-=- Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/13617172/21656/1316126222/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
