This is a load of horseshit or worse. When treachery is called 'pragmatic'
you need to give your head a wobble.

The betrayal by the Chavistas has emboldened the Right. Wake up.

I won't sign this 'comradely' as is my wont.

Gary

On Thu, Oct 1, 2026 at 5:21 PM Fred Fuentes via groups.io <fred.fuentes=
[email protected]> wrote:

> To me the position of "treason" put forward by others (and which Steve
> rejects) is the one that makes the least sense - it is impossible to
> imagine that the only thing stopping the entire Venezuelan leadership from
> "selling out" was Maduro remaining in power. Such positions are more driven
> by emotions and the unwillingness to accept that reality is driven by
> social forces, not individuals. In this sense, the Maduro = good/Delcy =
> bad crew are little different to the Chavez = good/Maduro = bad crew, even
> if they would obviously strongly disagree with this assertion and have
> different assessments of the past decade or so. The treason argument also
> ultimately ignores the strong continuities that exist between pre and post
> January 3 Venezuela, albeit under different conditions.
>
> But defence of what is only increasingly indefensive is also not a great
> position either, and that is the position this article takes. Any talk
> about the impacts of imperialist intervention has to include
> acknowledgement of the possibility that such interventions can achieve its
> aims in various ways. Some view the fact that the PSUV remains in power as
> "proof" imperialist intervention has failed. This confuses form with
> content and ignores the possibility that interventions (whether seeking
> this or not) can also have the effect of transforming previous foes into
> vital allies. If we accept this possibility, then we have to ask ourselves
> when such a change/transformation has occurred.
>
> Looking at Venezuela today, the role the PSUV plays as neocolonial
> administrator,and the destruction of the Bolivarian revolution's base, it
> is self-evident that US intervention has been successful. Some will
> disagree, but then the question remains: at what point can we say the
> PSUV's project has not just failed but that the PSUV no longer represents
> what it once did? Is it simply the case that as long as it holds onto
> power, then not only is the PSUV succeeding but continues to warrant our
> political support, critical or otherwise? (To avoid confusion, I explicitly
> say "political support" here, because that is what Steve advocates towards
> what he deems a leftist government. I am not taking about not
> defending/"supporting" Venezuela against US imperialism, which would be the
> correct position even if the PSUV was as bad as the Taliban in
> Afghanistan)
>
> So far, the fact that the Maduro/Rodríguez governments opted to align with
> the capitalists against workers, rejected the majority's will by carrying
> out electoral fraud and destroyed the social fabric that was the base of
> the Bolivarian revolution has not been enough for supporters to say the
> PSUV has crossed the line. So, what is the actual line that needs to be
> crossed before withdrawing political support?
>
> Secondly, I don't buy the lesser evil line "but if they relinquish power
> we will have Pinochet" that is used to ignore or override any such red
> lines. First, because in economic policy terms, those implemented by the
> Maduro/Rodriguez government largely mean the opposition's economic plan has
> or is already being implemented. Second, because a coup and repression has
> already occurred (even if others want to deny or excuse this). And third,
> there is no evidence to suggest the counterfactual presented is true as a)
> the security forces required to carry out such repression have demonstrated
> their strong allegiances to Chavismo and b) where right-wing forces have
> come to power in a similar scenario (Anez via a coup in Bolivia) they were
> unable to carry out repression on such a scale and were ultimately forced
> out of power within the year by mass mobilisation.
>
> The sad reality is that the PSUV's "power at all cost" strategy has
> ensured a scenario like Bolivia (or Brazil where Lula returned to power
> after four years of Bolsonaro) is close to impossible. Instead, its cost in
> the long run may be even worse than the counterfactual, as it has almost
> certainly morally destroyed any possibility for a left project in Venezuela
> for decades to come.
>
> Are there other options? Well, to begin to answer that we have to accept
> that better options were previously ignored, for example, not undermining
> the communes and crushing the revolution's base to maintain power, or
> negotiation a political transition after losing the 2024 elections. The
> latter is, in reality, the option being taken now, just under much worse
> conditions. In that sense, yes there was a better option. But the
> government preferred to continue digging its own grave even deeper than
> acknowledge reality.
> 
>
>


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