It's far more complex than that Marv. NATO has always been deployed in a 
defensive manner. I know this rankles most on this list but it was never in a 
position to threaten Soviet forces in the Warsaw Pact. This doesn't mean the 
USSR was intent on conquering Western Europe at all, their deployment was in 
fact offensive but...shall we say...for defensive reasons. Their doctrine, as 
we now now since the Pact collapsed under its own weight, was to hit first in 
the event of a wider war, a limited nuclear one, where the Warsaw Pact was 
intent on destroying NATO forces in a swift, weeks look offensive and then 
withdraw.

NATO rearmament of course is in reaction of Russian offensive capabilities. The 
really, really stupid rhetoric by Putin in support of Russian "influence" over 
the former Warsaw Pact is a form of belligerence designed to scare the 
Imperialists in the EU. The Russians in fact have made about 20 threats to use 
nuclear weapons, all bluffs, but all designed to scare the populations of the 
EU. It is stupid because the result of that and the original 2014 occupation of 
Crimea and the subsequent war caused the populations of Finland and Sweden to 
become overwhelmingly pro-NATO. This was entirely Putin's fault. One wonders if 
Putin is a "NATO poodle" doing what Western arms manufacturers wanted him to do 
to increase military budgets. But I'm glad you agree that Russia is not really 
a threat to the EU/NATO...but the same is the other way around. NATO is even 
less prepared to launch a war against Russia for both the obvious military and 
political reasons so such rhetoric should be dismissed. Russia has for years 
now declared they are at "war with NATO" yet of course this against is 
nonsense. The fact that some EU nations, about 6 NATO countries, have supplied 
arms to Ukraine means simply that they want to support Ukraine against Russian 
aggression. No troops have been sent. No fighter squadrons, etc etc etc in 
support of Ukraine. "Just" the arms to kill Russian troops. Which is why the 
Russians haven't launched the massive air attacks suggested in these articles 
against European manufacturing facilities...if even the Russians can do that.

Ukraine and Russia don't need a ceasefire. *They need an end to the war*. The 
wishful thinking that some sort of sort of fantastical mutual mass mobilization 
would occur on both sides is beyond fairy-tales. It is thoroughly 
non-materialist because so long as Russia wages war against Ukraine by 
forceably occupying its land, there will be no end to the Ukrainians fighting 
to end that occupation, chaos in the rear, notwithstanding.

David


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