With my car you only really notice when driving around the street, on the track or the dirt the handling is amazing considering the ride height.
When I drive a different car I nearly drive into the gutter when I turn as other cars hook up really quickly. However once the Stanza is set up for a corner and the understeer has gone away it is great and really neutral and controllable. Perhaps it is the rear end, as mine is pretty boofy with wide track, wide tyres, and anti-sway bar. Nick > > From: "cm510" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Rear Wheel Alignment Settings > Date: 19/02/2002 15:25:07 > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I'm running 3deg neg camber, 2mm toe out, 5deg positive caster on the front, > you'd reckon that'd have em loaded up a bit :)) > > Cam > CM510 > www.sprite.com.au/cm510 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 3:12 PM > Subject: Re: Rear Wheel Alignment Settings > > > > It must be due to the almost zero castor angle, zero toe, and the > old-fashioned steering box. > > > > In a Datsun, the tyres just roll along, basically just stopping the nose > from dragging along the ground until you come to a corner. > > > > A bit of toe-out, or even toe-in, should pre-load the tyres so that they > can go up to full grip levels quickly. > > > > It is strange that all Datsuns have zero toe. All the other cars that I've > seen have some toe-in or out. > > Must give it a try soon... > > > > Nick > > > > > > From: "Andrew Greenbury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Subject: Re: Rear Wheel Alignment Settings > > > Date: 19/02/2002 14:13:28 > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Hi Guys, > > > > > > No its not imaginary - there is a dynamic lag involved between > > > steering wheel angle and the generation of tyre force which is > > > inherent (but can be made worse through design, tyre choice, > > > suspension settings, steering etc). > > > > > > eg a tyre which generates its peak force at a lower slip angle > > > "speeds up" steering, because it takes less time for it to get to its > > > maximum force (the downside is such a tyre may also "let go" > > > more quickly also). It is for these reasons that handling gets > > > sharper when adding performance tyres, as compared to borrowing > > > your nan's 165/75 R13's. > > > > > > Andrew > > > > > > > hey nick, > > > > > > > > you're exactly right...I thought I was dreaming that 'hook up' time. > It's > > > > as if cause the front tyre is so cambered, it sort of nearly > under-steers > > > > until you get enough body roll to kick in the full tyre contact. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cam > > > > CM510 > > > > www.sprite.com.au/cm510 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 12:48 PM > > > > Subject: Re: Rear Wheel Alignment Settings > > > > > > > > > > > > > My car also corners very well for what it is. > > > > > > > > > > One thing that interests me at the moment is the time taken from > steering > > > > input to steering effect. My car takes a significant time to 'hook up' > at > > > > the front even with a stiff front sway bar. > > > > > Cars with 'good handling' have very small times between steering > input and > > > > effect. > > > > > I am considering a bit of toe-out at the front to make the car more > > > > 'twitchy' and hook up faster. > > > > > > > > > > With the rear end of a 1600 you have to consider the rear toe-change > that > > > > occurs with suspension movement. > > > > > A small amount of toe-in at the rear will convert to toe-out on the > > > > outside wheel under cornering. > > > > > This is good for a good driver, but if you lift off and, god forbid, > brake > > > > hard mid-corner the rear wheel toes back in and you get big time > oversteer. > > > > > > > > > > Nick > > > > > Live-Axle Stanza > > > > > > > > > > > > From: "cm510" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Rear Wheel Alignment Settings > > > > > > Date: 19/02/2002 12:28:54 > > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > > That makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll have to take some measurements and check it tonight. The car > is > > > > > > handling very well on the front....to the point where you turn in > that > > > > hard > > > > > > that the front goes through the corner and the rear will suddenly > break > > > > away > > > > > > (over-steer) > > > > > > > > > > > > No doubt sway bar and spring/shocks on the rear will affect this > as > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cam > > > > > > CM510 > > > > > > www.sprite.com.au/cm510 > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Andrew Greenbury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 12:05 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: Rear Wheel Alignment Settings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Cam, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cant help with any specific rear toe settings, but rear toe-in > is > > > > > > > more stable than rear toe-out, as the rear wheels provide a > > > > > > > stabilising moment trying to turn the car towards the outside of > the > > > > > > > corner (and so understeer if taken too far) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Andrew > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Guys, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for some pointers with the rear wheel alignment > settings for > > > > a > > > > > > > > 1600....more specifically the toe setting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With a slotted rear crossmember, I can get excellent > adjustment of > > > > both > > > > > > > > camber and toe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Camber, I'm going to run between Zero and neg .5 deg. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But toe ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am I correct in saying some toe in on the rear will give extra > > > > > > stabilaty? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cam > > > > > > > > CM510 > > > > > > > > www.sprite.com.au/cm510 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This message was sent through MyMail http://www.mymail.com.au > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This message was sent through MyMail http://www.mymail.com.au > > > > > > > > This message was sent through MyMail http://www.mymail.com.au --membersozdat------------------------------------------------------- OZDAT Mailing List Please Note:- Send (un)subscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send submissions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] No unauthorised redistribution of this email http://www.ozdat.com/ozdatonline/index.htm http://www.ozdat.com/ozdatonline/listindex.html http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------
