I imagine the only reason the owners lost is because they didnt get the right (expensive) lawyers that the workshops got. Without a fixed service contract between the programmer and the customer thier argument is pretty void I imagine - but if like you say they have won a few cases then there must be something they are doing to protect themselves.
I guess an easier way arround it is to boycott the workshops that do it - consumer sovereignty at its best. There are too many good mechanics out there to keep pouring money into dodgey ones. On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, E Smith wrote: > A lot of "High Profile" Motec and Autronic tuners password in Melbourne as > well. I believe it has been the subject of litigation without success by > some car owners. They ended up with a crap map, large legal bills and no way > to get out of it without a new ECU. > The argument goes - that you take your car to a tuning shop to be tuned for > maximum performance. They provide the tuning required to do this in the form > of an ECU map. "The ECU map they provide is the tuners intellectual > property" and so is entitled to protection from being handed out free to > other tuners and users of that same engine. > I would get an agreement with any tuner that they do not password your ECU, > before giving the engine/car to be tuned. > In that case the usually refuse and send you away :-) > Cheers, > Feral Errol > Get Serious tm<http://www.datrats.com.au/> > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zac Campbell > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 12:08 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: pic > > > Yeah I can understand that.. > but do you remember Scott that had the SR20 bluebird that allen's fitted the > Autronic to? he didn't want to pay for an engine dyno session so they put a > map, and a password, on it. the thing could hardly cut 100kw at the wheels > yet he couldn't get the map refined on a chassis dyno because Allens would > not give him the password! > if I paid for a map I'd want to be able to see it too. > > two schools of thought, I suppose. > > zac > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "andrew smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 10:39 PM > Subject: Re: pic > > > > They do it so knowone can use there maps as they believe they are superior > > because they have have been done on an engine dyno.A few of the top level > > tuners do it. > > > > Zac Campbell wrote: > > > > > not personally, but I know several people that have allens tuned > Autronics > > > and they don't give out the password, not even to the owner of the > ECU... > > > make what you will of it, but I wouldn't want an ECU that I couldn't > fiddle > > > with or have tuned by somebody else. > > > > > > zac > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "mark krawczuk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 10:27 PM > > > Subject: Re: pic > > > > > > > hey , funny u mention that, when i was getting the map changed at > > > allen > > > > eng, they said "i `ll put a password on it so .......nothing can get > > > > accidently? changed,........" > > > > > > > > > > > > have u had a similair experiance zac? > > > > > > > > mark k > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Zac Campbell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 9:41 PM > > > > Subject: Re: pic > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Mark, have Allan Eng put a password on your Autronic ECU? > > > > > > > > > > zac > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "mark krawczuk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 10:34 AM > > > > > Subject: pic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hi, here is the pic of my sr20. > > > > > > its been load to members area. > > > > > > > > > > > > link is: > > > > > > /usr/home/ozdat/members/uploads/sr20eng.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > i think theres sume stuff thats gotta go before it, so if someone > can > > > > fix > > > > > > it up please............................................. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mark k > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --membersozdat------------------------------------------------------- OZDAT Mailing List Please Note:- Send (un)subscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send submissions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] No unauthorised redistribution of this email http://www.ozdat.com/ozdatonline/index.htm http://www.ozdat.com/ozdatonline/listindex.html http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------
