You've just written along the lines of what I was going to write if the reverse gear was clashing on attempting to select from neutral - but the gears are not clashing from what we've been told. It's an interesting one to diagnose without driving the vehicle.
Regards, Terry -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rclough Sent: Saturday, 16 April 2005 7:07 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Off topic - Gear box sticking Because you can select first and reverse, I dont think the selectors are your problem. You just made it clear that its your clutch. By selecting second gear first, you stop the input shaft from spinning (ie free the clutch) by using the 2nd gear synchro to overcome the "sticking' (dragging) clutch plate - then it falls into first gear. If you try to put it straight into first gear, the first gear synchro isnt stong enough to stop the input shaft from spinning (ie stop the clutch plate, which is dragging or not fully released between the pressure plate and the flywheel). 1st gear has little leverage when being "driven" in the opposite direction to normal (effectively from the rear of the box to the front). From this (rear to front drive) direction, as you go up the gear ratios you get more leverage on the clutch plate/input shaft from the gear box. Same principle as to why you roll start in a higher gear than 1st, you can exert more torque on the clutch plate/input shaft from the "driven" end. Bottom line. You've convinced me either your clutch plate is stuffed, the hydraulics operating it are stuffed, or the pressure plate diaphram is stuffed - perhaps its pivot spring has broken. These symptoms are what you get when the pressure plate doesnt work properly. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Creedy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 10:24 PM Subject: Re: Off topic - Gear box sticking > It wouldnt go easily into reverse. the bent pin is probably the case, > then, as i usually go into second and then reverse and it works. > > But the main problem is it getting stuck IN gear. getting it out of > reverse and into neutral is hard. and usually the engine will stall > out before i can manage to get it back to neutral. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Terry Rudd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 8:11 PM > Subject: RE: Off topic - Gear box sticking > > > > OK, still inconclusive - when you say "it wouldn't go" do you mean > > it just > > wont select or do the gears clash as in you hear a grating noise > > when you > > attempt reverse from neutral. I spose another obvious question is > > "are you > > losing fluid from the master cylinder reservoir?" > > > > If it just wont select, then try selecting 1st gear from neutral and then > > try to select reverse - if you have a slightly bent or worn selector > > pin then using this method to select reverse gear will sometimes > > work well. > > > > Regards, > > Terry > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David > > Creedy > > Sent: Monday, 16 May 2005 12:18 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: Off topic - Gear box sticking > > > > > > Ok, started the car up.. went to go into reverse and it wouldnt > > go.. held > > clutch in for 5 seconds and it went in very smooth. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Terry Rudd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 5:48 PM > > Subject: RE: Off topic - Gear box sticking > > > > > > > If you do the 5 second test and the reverse gears grate then yes > > > I'd say it's a hydraulic problem based on the pumping remedy - > > > pumping hydraulics > > by > > > itself though is inconclusive. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Terry > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David > > > Creedy > > > Sent: Sunday, 15 May 2005 5:19 PM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: Off topic - Gear box sticking > > > > > > > > > ok ill try that. currently i pump the clutch three or four times > > > and it usually goes into gear. that mean anything? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Terry Rudd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 2:17 PM > > > Subject: RE: Off topic - Gear box sticking > > > > > > > > > > It's pretty easy to check if it's a clutch problem - start in > > > > neutral, depress clutch, count to 5 seconds, attempt to select > > > > reverse. If it > > > grates, > > > > then it's the clutch operation (i.e. not disengaging for > > > > whatever reason), if it just wont go into reverse, then it's > > > > more than likely Errol is on > > > the > > > > money with a bent pin in the selector mechanism. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Terry > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David > > > > Creedy > > > > Sent: Saturday, 14 May 2005 11:25 PM > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Subject: Re: Off topic - Gear box sticking > > > > > > > > > > > > That makes sense. those are the only two gears i have trouble > > > > with. Out > > > of > > > > habit i double clutch the other shifts, but frommemory its never > > > > happend with anything but first or reverse. thanks alot man. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "rclough" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 5:18 PM > > > > Subject: Re: Off topic - Gear box sticking > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its almost certain to be a clutch not fully throwing problem > > > > > if it sticks > > > > in > > > > > first/reverse, or you cant get it into first/reverse. > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Geordie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 5:51 PM > > > > > Subject: RE: Off topic - Gear box sticking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sounds like a clutch hydraulic problem to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: David Creedy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Sent: Friday, 13 May 2005 3:30 PM > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > Subject: Off topic - 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