ok mate. thanks very much for the massive reply. Really appreciate it. i'll get to it and let you know if you were right! ----- Original Message ----- From: "rclough" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 7:06 PM Subject: Re: Off topic - Gear box sticking
> Because you can select first and reverse, I dont think the selectors are > your problem. You just made it clear that its your clutch. > > By selecting second gear first, you stop the input shaft from spinning (ie > free the clutch) by using the 2nd gear synchro to overcome the "sticking' > (dragging) clutch plate - then it falls into first gear. If you try to put > it straight into first gear, the first gear synchro isnt stong enough to > stop the input shaft from spinning (ie stop the clutch plate, which is > dragging or not fully released between the pressure plate and the flywheel). > 1st gear has little leverage when being "driven" in the opposite direction > to normal (effectively from the rear of the box to the front). From this > (rear to front drive) direction, as you go up the gear ratios you get more > leverage on the clutch plate/input shaft from the gear box. Same principle > as to why you roll start in a higher gear than 1st, you can exert more > torque on the clutch plate/input shaft from the "driven" end. > > Bottom line. You've convinced me either your clutch plate is stuffed, the > hydraulics operating it are stuffed, or the pressure plate diaphram is > stuffed - perhaps its pivot spring has broken. These symptoms are what you > get when the pressure plate doesnt work properly. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Creedy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 10:24 PM > Subject: Re: Off topic - Gear box sticking > > > > It wouldnt go easily into reverse. the bent pin is probably the case, > > then, as i usually go into second and then reverse and it works. > > > > But the main problem is it getting stuck IN gear. getting it out of > > reverse and into neutral is hard. and usually the engine will stall out > > before i can manage to get it back to neutral. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Terry Rudd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 8:11 PM > > Subject: RE: Off topic - Gear box sticking > > > > > > > OK, still inconclusive - when you say "it wouldn't go" do you mean it > just > > > wont select or do the gears clash as in you hear a grating noise when > you > > > attempt reverse from neutral. I spose another obvious question is "are > you > > > losing fluid from the master cylinder reservoir?" > > > > > > If it just wont select, then try selecting 1st gear from neutral and > then > > > try to select reverse - if you have a slightly bent or worn selector pin > > > then using this method to select reverse gear will sometimes work well. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Terry > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Creedy > > > Sent: Monday, 16 May 2005 12:18 AM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: Off topic - Gear box sticking > > > > > > > > > Ok, started the car up.. went to go into reverse and it wouldnt go.. > held > > > clutch in for 5 seconds and it went in very smooth. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Terry Rudd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 5:48 PM > > > Subject: RE: Off topic - Gear box sticking > > > > > > > > > > If you do the 5 second test and the reverse gears grate then yes I'd > > > > say it's a hydraulic problem based on the pumping remedy - pumping > > > > hydraulics > > > by > > > > itself though is inconclusive. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Terry > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David > > > > Creedy > > > > Sent: Sunday, 15 May 2005 5:19 PM > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Subject: Re: Off topic - Gear box sticking > > > > > > > > > > > > ok ill try that. currently i pump the clutch three or four times and > > > > it usually goes into gear. that mean anything? > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Terry Rudd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 2:17 PM > > > > Subject: RE: Off topic - Gear box sticking > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's pretty easy to check if it's a clutch problem - start in > > > > > neutral, depress clutch, count to 5 seconds, attempt to select > > > > > reverse. If it > > > > grates, > > > > > then it's the clutch operation (i.e. not disengaging for whatever > > > > > reason), if it just wont go into reverse, then it's more than likely > > > > > Errol is on > > > > the > > > > > money with a bent pin in the selector mechanism. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Terry > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David > > > > > Creedy > > > > > Sent: Saturday, 14 May 2005 11:25 PM > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Subject: Re: Off topic - Gear box sticking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That makes sense. those are the only two gears i have trouble with. > > > > > Out > > > > of > > > > > habit i double clutch the other shifts, but frommemory its never > > > > > happend with anything but first or reverse. thanks alot man. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "rclough" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 5:18 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: Off topic - Gear box sticking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its almost certain to be a clutch not fully throwing problem if it > > > > > > sticks > > > > > in > > > > > > first/reverse, or you cant get it into first/reverse. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Geordie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 5:51 PM > > > > > > Subject: RE: Off topic - Gear box sticking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sounds like a clutch hydraulic problem to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: David Creedy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, 13 May 2005 3:30 PM > > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > Subject: Off topic - Gear box sticking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey guys. sorry to bring a mazda into this, but you guys know > > > > > > > your > > > > > stuff. > > > > > > > just got a series 1 rx7. the gears sometimes get stuck in gear.. > > > > > > > eg. at traffic lights, you go to move forward a tiny bit in > > > > > > > first gear, and > > > > > then > > > > > > > its stuck in first, cant get it back into neutral. the same > > > > > > > thing > > > > > happens > > > > > > > with reverse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is this a clutch problem or a problem with the gear box? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > > > > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > > > > > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.9 - 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