Thanks for the tips. WSF/Ruby sounds interesting indeed. And also thanks to Yehuda, this is exactly what I hoped to hear. Of course Merb is agnostic in its nature but an awareness and ambition towards certain packages and libs from you and other core Merb developers will influence the community as a whole. So it is good news that SOA and WS-* is on your wishlist as well.
I see the SOA node role as one potential way for Merb to enter the world of existing enterprise solutions out there. With SOA one can easily substitute a Java powered node with Merb when a large refactorization is due or when a new node is introduced. This is a lot easier for managment to swallow than redeveloping an entire platform in Merb. /Erik Yehuda Katz skrev: > WSF/Ruby looks really interesting, except that the setup is draconian. > I'm going to contact them to see about making it possible to install > via rubygems. > > -- Yehuda > > On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 1:14 AM, Ahsan Ali <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > Hi, > > Speaking of libraries, http://wso2.org/projects/wsf/ruby /looks/ > like a pretty good alternative to SOAP4r. I haven't tried it > myself though ... > > "WSO2 WSF/Ruby is a complete solution for building and deploying > Web services, and is the only Ruby extension with the widest range > of WS-* specification implementations. Key features include, > secure services and clients with WS-Security support, binary > attachments with MTOM, works with Ruby on Rails and > interoperability with .NET and J2EE." > > Now I'm trying to recall why I chose soap4r - was it the facility > to generate ruby stubs/skeletons from a WSDL (wsdl2ruby) ? It > looks like WSO2 also has something similar in the works. > > Best Regards, > > Ahsan Ali > > > On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 11:58 AM, Erik Lindblad <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > > Hi > > My intention was to do both. Since I am designing Merb-based > nodes in a > SOA each node needs to be able to produce as well as consume > SOAP messages. > > I read in the pickaxe that Action Web Service does not support > document/literal SOAP messages, which is the de facto standard > in the > WS-I guidelines. I am not sure whether this is a restriction > in AWS or > in SOAP4R (or if AWS even uses SOAP4R). I guess a SOAP lib > that is based > on libxml-ruby would be preferable for performance reasons and XML > Schema usage. > > I realize that maybe this specific question is more > appropriate for a > SOAP4R list or a general WS list, but I think the subject as a > whole is > a valid Merb issue. > > I love RESTful development and the lightweight approach to web > services, > but in a legacy environment SOAP cannot be ignored. And in an > enterprise > environment, things like standardized policy enforcement, > intermediate > nodes and so on really rely on SOAP-based techniques. There is > a lot of > talk these days on whether Merb and other Ruby frameworks > (guess which > one :-) are ready for enterprise adoption and, in my opinion, > in many > areas they are. But with the upcoming second generation web > services > (WS-Security, XML Encryption, WS-Policy and so on) the Ruby > SOAP libs > are lagging far behind. > > And again, this is not a Merb-specific issue, since Merb can > use any lib > you want. But for me, and I think for a few other people as > well, it > would be a lot easier to argue the use of Merb if there existed an > active and up-to-date SOAP-lib that was mentioned in the Merb > pages and > supported in the same way as e.g. DataMapper. Managers rarely > go for the > "but you can use anything" argument :-) So if anyone have done > some work > with Merb/SOAP/SOA/WS-* I would be very happy to hear about your > experiences of it. Or maybe running Merb on JRuby using Java > libs for > SOAP integration. That would really be a strong selling point > to my > bosses :-) > > Kindest regards > > Erik > > > Per Melin skrev: > > 2008/10/17 Erik Lindblad <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL > PROTECTED]>>: > > > >> I would like to do the refactorization using Merb+DM but the > >> potential lack of SOAP support might be a showstopper. > >> > > > > Are we talking about servicing SOAP requests with Merb, or > using DM to > > collect data from SOAP services? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Yehuda Katz > Developer | Engine Yard > (ph) 718.877.1325 > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "merb" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/merb?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
