OK, B-58's: On simulated low level bomb runs, after "release," we'd call in
post-release info to the RADAR bomb scoring site. True air speed (TAS) of
our B'52 runs then was ~270 knots at 2 k feet. (Our airspeed was restricted
at low level for a while because of some possible wing cracks.) So typical
TAS part of the post-release info called to the scoring site went, "True
aispeed 270." 'Bout 15 minutes after we finished a run one day in 1967, we
heard another bomber crew give post release info to the site. His went
something like this, "True airspeed 1560." ('Don't remember exact number.)
It was a B-58 at high altitude.
Wilton
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rich Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT -B-47
> I have seen movies of B47s getting launched with those JATO bottles.
> What a ride that would have been!
>
> Just did a UTUBER search, came up with this
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL4mrxUtjxQ Put B 47 in the search box,
> a bunch come up.
>
> Those drivers earned their meager paychex flying those contraptions.
>
> OK Wilton, tell me about B-58s!
>
> --R
>
> Wilton Strickland wrote:
> > 'In 600 mph class; had six J-47 engines; certainly could have used more
> > power; slow to accelerate; slow to decelerate once it was going (was
very
> > streamlined - cigar-shaped). 'Used water injection to increase thrust
on
> > takeoff. 'Sometimes used 28 to 30 JATO (rocket) bottles on takeoff,
too.
> > Official max gross weight of 225 klbs., but I've seen it at 235 klbs.
> > Strategic Air Command (SAC) had 1800 of 'em; my base (Lincoln, NE) had
100
> > of 'em. They served the country very well for about 15 years. RAAF had
> > about 7 of 'em, I think.
> >
> > B-47E's performed many a LABS maneuver - a bomb run performed by
releasing
> > bomb in the climbing vertical phase just before going over the top of a
> > loop - yes, a loop, an inside loop. The maneuver waste used to "toss"
the
> > nuclear weapon to the target; bomb would continued upward some before
> > falling back toward target. Meanwhile the aircraft went over the top of
the
> > loop, and, as it started down the other side, it would roll upright
> > accelerating and descending to "get the Hell out of Dodge." Advantages
of
> > the maneuver: approach target very low to avoid RADAR, pull up and
release
> > to get bomb above its low altitude release limit and improve (increase)
> > escape time for the aircraft and crew - escape the blast shock wave,
that
> > is.
> >
> > All B-52's through G models (8 J-57 engines) could have used more power,
> > too; 'finally had a very responsive airplane and power to spare in the H
> > model (8 TF-33 engines); had to set "thrust gate" on H model throttle
> > quadrant to keep from "over-powering" - accelerating too fast could
pitch
> > nose up before getting trim adjusted."
> >
> > Wilton
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "larry turner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 7:46 PM
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - EV
> >
> >
> >
> >> re: your comment <<B47 ...grossly underpowered>>
> >>
> >> My memory must be more faulty than I thought - on a recent Military
> >>
> > Channel
> >
> >> program called "Top 10 Bombers" they went thru the various designs and
> >>
> > when
> >
> >> they spoke of the B47 they said it was *very* fast - like a fighter
with 4
> >> engines so fast in fact that when F86s would come up to give chase in
mock
> >> interceptions they rarely were able to catch the B47.
> >>
> >> It looked like a early B52 design with the cockpit stuck on top of the
> >> fuseloge like a P51D cockpit but for more then 1 person. and the
engines
> >> hanging down on long pylons slightly forward -
> >>
> >> Checked wiki - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-47_Stratojet it says it
> >>
> > flew
> >
> >> at high subsonic speeds - but I guess it could fly at that speed and
still
> >> be considered underpowered - and it
> >> all subject to interpretation.
> >> ;-)
> >>
> >> Larry
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Peter Frederick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[email protected]>
> >> Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 3:04 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - EV
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Boeing had some elegant designs, still does. Got the fuselage right
> >>> on the 707, for sure, since it's still in production.
> >>>
> >>> However, some features, while very well executed by Boeing, are
> >>> hardly exlusive -- thin, swept wings are a German innovation, so are
> >>> pylon mounted engines (although not as marked as the Boeing designs),
> >>> and the pylon is far less for service access than to get the engine
> >>> out of the air flow on the wing -- especially at low speeds, having
> >>> the engine suck air backwards off the wing surface really interferes
> >>> with lift!
> >>>
> >>> Russian and European designers were rather slow to pick up on this
> >>> fact -- most of their early designs had the engines buried in the
> >>> wing root (DH Comet, Vampire Bombers, and TU 104s, the civilian
> >>> version of the bomber).
> >>>
> >>> The B-47 was definitely an experimental aircraft, though, as not all
> >>> these ideas worked out well: grossly underpowered, very short range
> >>> due to excessive fuel consumption (straight turbojets, after all),
> >>> nasty flying characteristics, and way too many landing accidents.
> >>>
> >>> The B-52 was much better, although the Tupolev Bear outperforms it in
> >>> most areas.
> >>>
> >>> Peter
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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