Let me suggest that you folks stick to talking about MB's and leave
politics alone.
--R
On 7/15/11 3:48 PM, Dieselhead wrote:
Andrew's friends at the EPA are making cities clamp down on grease
disposal. The city is making every food prep operation, not just
restaurants, but prison, schools and hospitals, nursing homes etc.
Even the neighborhood daycare, if they prepare meals... install a
grease separator system to replace the relatively simple grease
traps. These grease separators are thousands of dollars and there is
essentially no benefit in the end, other than the grease load at the
muni WWT plant is presumably lighter.
The owner no longer can clean the thing themselves, but HAVE TO (all
hail marx, lenin and stalin) hire an "approved" collection company
(generally owned by guys who hire guys with dark glasses to break
bones) to pick up the grease and empty these grease separators.
The only way you will get used fry oil is if someone fried a turkey in
the backyard, or if your community has not yet implemented these
draconian measures.
This has been implemented by the bummer administration to make sure
that nobody can make homebrew BioD to compete with the oil companies.
On the open market, Yellow grease (Used fry oil) is trading at 45
cents per pound in the east coast region.. (today's Jacobsen report)
That is $3.38 per gallon for feedstock. Add $.75 per gallon for
processing costs.
Andrew, since you are a card carrying liberal, we know you would not
dream of not paying the appropriate fuel taxes so add whatever the DC
tax is, plus the federal tax. This is in the neighborhood of $.50 per
gallon. Now your costs, not counting time, are $4.63 per gallon.
How much are you saving? Then you need to buy a pickup to gather
oil, etc, etc. And the EPA will come around and declare your backyard
a hazardous waste area, and charge you with illegal disposal of
hazardous waste. Add those fines and lawyer costs to your per gallon
price.
BTW, in small lots, you can't buy yellow grease for .45 a lb. that is
for semi loads or rail car lots.
STOP! (Since you asked)
The chemicals are easy, before you do anything stockpile 100 gallons
(2x 55 gallon drums) of the oil to prove that there are lots of
sources and to prove to yourself that its something you want to go
through on a consistent basis.
I think you'll find your sources of fat are MUCH more limited than
you previously though. Unlike what the bio-digester folks usually
tell you restaurants don't usually have to pay to get rid of their
fryer oil...
-Curt
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 13:59:34 -0400
From: andrew strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>
To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Subject: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy
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We own three W123 turbodiesels so this is very tempting. Cost is about
$1700 + $450 more for the "dry washing" feature. We have lots of
restaurants that probably would be happy to get rid of their fryer
grease; the main snag might be the cost and ease of obtaining NAOH
(caustic
soda). I also wonder how much lye and water is consumed per batch,
and what
the brew would do to our fuel lines.,
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