You ain't heard nuthin 'til you are in the back of a KC135 during a wet (J57) 
takeoff.

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From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Peter Frederick via Mercedes
Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 6:37 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: Peter Frederick <psf...@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft

All the low bypass turbojets are noisy.  I flew in a British one once, don't 
remember what it was, but it had two Rolls Conways in the back.  Very noisy 
engines.

On Dec 4, 2021, at 5:17 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

> When the family first started with Ambassadair, they were still flying 707s. 
> I flew them a couple times. Noisy as heck as I recall.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 4:13 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> The L-1011 was probably the best of that generation,  sadly it never sold 
>> as well as the DC-10, which was NOT the best of that generation. 
>> 
>> Beautiful aircraft, and I've heard it was nice to fly as well.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 4:54 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>> I flew on N194AT and N163AT frequently in the early half of the 1980s as a 
>>> member of a “Ambassadair”, later known as “ATA” when it was a private 
>>> travel club. One was a -100 variant, the other a -500 model. Both of these 
>>> were used for international and long-haul domestic flights as well as 
>>> charters. There was a third L-1011 in their fleet but I don’t have pictures 
>>> of it. I think it was destroyed in a ground fire in the late 80s.
>>> 
>>> My Mom did many, many hours in these as she traveled extensively with them 
>>> overseas. They had at least one DC-10 I know she flew in with them as well, 
>>> they might have had more, I don’t recall.
>>> 
>>> They were wonderful aircraft, and really impressive when you were standing 
>>> next to them out on the tarmac.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 1:33 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> L-1011 was the first "big" jet I ever flew in. Boston to Bermuda. Would 
>>>> have been '87 or so. We took a 727 Portland to Boston...
>>>> 
>>>> Curt
>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 2:37 PM, Allan Streib via 
>>>> Mercedes<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   L-1011 was very advanced for its 
>>>> time. I believe it was the first commercial airliner with auto-land. If 
>>>> the engines hadn't been sole-sourced wirh Rolls Royce they might have been 
>>>> more commercially viable.
>>>> 
>>>> Sort of wish Lockheed had stayed in the commercial market but the L-1011 
>>>> was their swan song.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, at 2:31 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>> Say what you will about the L-1011 or DC-10, you never got the BSOD.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Flaming ACTUAL death on a DC-10, occasionally, yes, but that's 
>>>>> part of the fun.  :D
>>>>> 
>>>>> My first attempt to ride an Airbus was in the early 80s; it BSODed 
>>>>> and we hadda switch to a DC-10.  Very comfy ride.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -MMM-
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