Got a tour once of a Looking Glass KC-135 at Offutt. It looked really 
uncomfortable. Had a comms exchange with one orbiting at the pole keeping an 
eye on the russkies ready to rain fire on them. 

--FT
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> On Dec 4, 2021, at 7:37 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> We have KC135s in Tampa at MacDill AFB. Can’t get that close to the base to 
> plane watch, but I do try to catch the traffic on my scanner and step out so 
> I can see them fly over the house.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 4:53 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> You ain't heard nuthin 'til you are in the back of a KC135 during a wet 
>> (J57) takeoff.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Peter Frederick via Mercedes
>> Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 6:37 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> Cc: Peter Frederick <psf...@earthlink.net>
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft
>> 
>> All the low bypass turbojets are noisy.  I flew in a British one once, don't 
>> remember what it was, but it had two Rolls Conways in the back.  Very noisy 
>> engines.
>> 
>>>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 5:17 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>> When the family first started with Ambassadair, they were still flying 
>>> 707s. I flew them a couple times. Noisy as heck as I recall.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 4:13 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The L-1011 was probably the best of that generation,  sadly it never sold 
>>>> as well as the DC-10, which was NOT the best of that generation. 
>>>> 
>>>> Beautiful aircraft, and I've heard it was nice to fly as well.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 4:54 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I flew on N194AT and N163AT frequently in the early half of the 1980s as 
>>>>> a member of a “Ambassadair”, later known as “ATA” when it was a private 
>>>>> travel club. One was a -100 variant, the other a -500 model. Both of 
>>>>> these were used for international and long-haul domestic flights as well 
>>>>> as charters. There was a third L-1011 in their fleet but I don’t have 
>>>>> pictures of it. I think it was destroyed in a ground fire in the late 80s.
>>>>> 
>>>>> My Mom did many, many hours in these as she traveled extensively with 
>>>>> them overseas. They had at least one DC-10 I know she flew in with them 
>>>>> as well, they might have had more, I don’t recall.
>>>>> 
>>>>> They were wonderful aircraft, and really impressive when you were 
>>>>> standing next to them out on the tarmac.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -D
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 1:33 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>>>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> L-1011 was the first "big" jet I ever flew in. Boston to Bermuda. Would 
>>>>>> have been '87 or so. We took a 727 Portland to Boston...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Curt
>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 2:37 PM, Allan Streib via 
>>>>>> Mercedes<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   L-1011 was very advanced for 
>>>>>> its time. I believe it was the first commercial airliner with auto-land. 
>>>>>> If the engines hadn't been sole-sourced wirh Rolls Royce they might have 
>>>>>> been more commercially viable.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sort of wish Lockheed had stayed in the commercial market but the L-1011 
>>>>>> was their swan song.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, at 2:31 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>>>> Say what you will about the L-1011 or DC-10, you never got the BSOD.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Flaming ACTUAL death on a DC-10, occasionally, yes, but that's 
>>>>>>> part of the fun.  :D
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> My first attempt to ride an Airbus was in the early 80s; it BSODed 
>>>>>>> and we hadda switch to a DC-10.  Very comfy ride.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -MMM-
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