Jet A is very nearly kerosene which is similar to diesel fuel
anyway.Locomotives use bunker fuel, like big ships do.When I was just out of
high school I worked land surveying along the railroad between Boston and
Portland, Maine. I noticed that the locos stayed running all the time. I asked
once if the loco got shut down and completely cooled down how long it would
take to get it running again. The answer was "It'd start again in May" this was
in November...
-Curt
On Thursday, January 6, 2022, 04:14:38 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
That breakdown of a barrel of oil is interesting. So how did we arrive at that
perfect balance of what oil provides and what we do with it? Did we develop
technology to use the oil products available, or did we develop refining
techniques to produce the refined product the market wanted?
For example, before jet airplanes, where did the 10% Jet A component go?
When the railroads all switched from coal-fired steam to diesel-electric, how
did we supply that increased demand for diesel fuel?
On Thu, Jan 6, 2022, at 3:56 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
> Thorium reactors and upgrade (and hardening) of the US electric grid
> would be an answer. However, they don't produce byproducts used in
> nuclear weapons, so there is no interest.
>
> The elephant in the room is this. A barrel of oil produces 40-46%
> gasoline, 25-28% diesel fuel, 10-12% jet A, and miscellaneous other
> stuff, asphalt, ship fuel, etc. If you eliminate the internal
> combustion automobile that operates on gasoline, but do NOT eliminate
> diesel powered semi tractor trailers, farm tractors, combines, diesel
> electric locomotives*, cargo container ships, asphalt roads, and other
> stuff I don't care to mention, there will be a glut of gasoline
> byproduct that will need to be disposed of. This occured early in the
> pandemic, when trucks were on the road, and cars weren't. Refineries
> were facing shut downs because of lack of gasoline storage, and diesel
> was facing shortages. Crude oil was negative for a while, because there
> was a lack of storage.
>
> No one thinks this stuff through. Decisions and actions have
> consequences. Electric cars make little sense for the majority. In
> urban areas, where travel is limited to a few miles each way, sure.
> Visitors from other countries are amazed at the wide open spaces in the
> heartland and out west. In rural America they make no sense.
>
> So unless you eliminate a good deal of the population, and colonize the
> remainder of folks into urban areas, mass electrification of personal
> transportation is ______ (fill in the blank).
>
> *Locomotives are a diesel electric hybrid.
>
>
> Rick
>
> Hard times produce tough men.
>
> Tough men produce good times.
>
> Good times produce weak men.
>
> Weak men produce hard times. #
>
> # We are here.
>
> Hope This Helps.
>
>
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: January 6, 2022 2:07 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: astrasfo...@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware
>
> *Electric cars are niche vehicles for the rich based on the myth they don't
> pollute. Given state of the art of electrical power generation,
> conversion, and transmission, electric vehicle operation pollutes less (not
> none) only if the charging power is hydro.*
>
> Really? I have a deposit on a modestly priced EV (Fisker Ocean), and am
> not exactly rich.
>
> Obviously, if you build GHG emitting power plants to satisfy the demand for
> charging EVs that would be a detriment, but no one is suggesting that.
> Solar and wind are steadily supplanting fossil fuel generating sources of
> baseload electricity, and nuclear may yet enjoy a renaissance (but don't
> hold your breath). And to be fair, conventional ICE cars have comparable
> or greater impacts than EVs in terms of building and recycling costs while
> polluting the air and warming the planet.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 2:38 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Exactly. Electric cars are niche vehicles for the rich based on the myth
>> they don't pollute. Given state of the art of electrical power generation,
>> conversion, and transmission, electric vehicle operation pollutes less (not
>> none) only if the charging power is hydro. And that doesn't account for
>> pollution from building and recycling.
>>
>> The electric vehicle craze is what you get when art-history majors make
>> decisions for brain-dead politicians.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of G Mann via Mercedes
>> Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2022 8:58 AM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> Cc: G Mann <g2ma...@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes is selling vaporware
>>
>> In the real world, cold weather sucks the life out of battery reserves.
>> So, at wind chill minus 30, range would be much less... then, how do you
>> heat the car so you can stand to drive and survive... stuck in a snowbank
>> for a couple days with no recharge [real world that happens] you become a
>> well preserved frozen artifact not found until the spring thaw, maybe.
>> The electric car has reality problems that have not been overcome. I will
>> keep driving Diesels for now.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 12:23 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> > If it really has a 620 mile range (assume real-world ~500) that would
>> > be quite welcome. Not a fan of the wide screen and other gizmos. Give
>> > me a car with that range, basic gauges on the dash, a manual climate
>> > control system, real switches for the headlights, wipers, and other
>> > accessories, and I might be interested.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jan 3, 2022, at 9:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> > > MB Tex was the distant ancestor of vegan upholstery.
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 8:44 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Wasn’t that called “MBTex”?
>> > >>
>> > >> --FT
>> > >> Sent from iFōn
>> > >>
>> > >> > On Jan 3, 2022, at 8:19 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Fisker uses vegan leather too.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >> On Mon, Jan 3, 2022, 7:02 PM Clay via Mercedes <
>> > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> > >> >> wrote:
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Vegan leather = Mango fruit leather
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Clay
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>> On Jan 3, 2022, at 2:57 PM, OK Don via Mercedes <
>> > mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> > >> >
>> > >> >> wrote:
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>
>> > >>
>> > https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a38651341/mercedes-benz-vision-eqxx-
>> > concept-revealed/
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>> --
>> > >> >>> OK Don
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is
>> > >> >>> time
>> > to
>> > >> >>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am
>> > doing.”
>> > >> >> Wernher
>> > >> >>> Von Braun
>> > >> >>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
>> > >> >>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
>> > >> >>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
>> > >> >>
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