I'm with you Marshall, as far as I'm concerned they're absolutely unneeded in
any instance. Theres a woman here at work who starts her car as soon as she
leaves the building. I mean she's 10 steps away, why bother?
Then theres the couple in my apartment building that start the car at least
(AT LEAST) half an hour before they go anywhere winter and summer. God forbid
its not exactly 70 degrees when they get in the car. They're generally good
people so I explained once about the gas they were wasting, I'd calculated at
the time that they were throwing at $0.20 a minute just in gas, never mind the
wear and tear on the engine. I also suggested they get more frequent oil
changes since the mileage was not an accurate reflection of the amount the
engine ran but they still don't get it. Funny how their car seems to be in the
shop every month...
-Curt
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 23:19:33 -0400
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No good reason to have a remote starter. The car is supposed to be
driven as soon as the oil pressure reaches the top of the gauge - never
idled until warm.
Marshall
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WOO HOO! Thats good news. Whats next on the project list? I await the 190D
entries with anticipation.
-Curt
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Is that all? I'd hoped for better since I'd been thinking of building one
someday. My 240D would average around 28mpg but that was almost exclusively
highway driving 80-90 miles a day.
My 190D is averaging only a little better at around 32mpg but that includes
so bad tanks while it was leaking fuel dragging the average down. I've only
just gotten myself out of the habit of driving with the pedal to the floor
which in most cases the 190D doesn't need. I'm also trying to decrease my
average speed which should increase mileage.
-Curt
'85 190D "Dory" 241kmi
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 22:19:27 -0600
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On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:09:15 -0700 "W. Lasher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> I can milk 30 MPG, but more realistic is 29 MPG on the road
and
> between 22-25 in town. Plus the best and quietest ride in town :-)
I can do maybe 25 in our '82 240D/3.0. Maybe I need to start looking at
something newer.
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you wrote:<<the thing is eating fuel, and I mean
> eating it. Just FYI, the car now has 302k>>
When you say it's eating fuel I assume you mean it's getting poor fuel
mileage? It's been my experience on my '78 240D is it gets 24-26mpg - and
this is with a perfect engine. The engine was rebuilt 30k miles ago and
everything was rebuilt or replaced except the injection pump which seems to
work perfectly.
I need to check the timing again but have no reason to believe it is off but
will check it anyway - so I don't know what kind of mpg you are expecting -
Some people with early W123 240Ds report mileage in the low 30s but I never
have seen mpg's that good.
Good luck - hope you find the source of the noise that's bothering you -
although I agree with Marshall that it's likely just the normal combustion
noise all diesels have. Of course, newer ones have improved designs to
reduce the noise greatly - but a 78 or 79 240D is unfortunately noisely when
it starts - and a build up of carbon can make it worse.
Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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From: "Marshall Booth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Injection pump timing OM616
> Steve MacSween wrote:
>> Back to my sick 240d... which I am pleased to say continues to recover by
>> degrees, but I'm not making any success announcements yet. I drive it for
>> an
>> hour every day.
>>
>> The smoking problem is just about finished. In fact, I am increasingly of
>> a
>> mind that what I had/have here, was two problems.
>>
>> When I had the car at the shop the owner said he checked pump timing and
>> it
>> was dead on. He did not road test it, tho.
>>
>> HOWEVER, when I took the car back for my round of "valiant measures"
>> before
>> declaring it done, I noticed that it snaps/pings/knocks when you give it
>> throttle on takeoff. Not constantly, just for a second when you take off
>> from a stop. (I mentioned this before and several people said it was just
>> the injector nailing on a dead cylinder... but that cylinder is no longer
>> dead all the time, only an intermittent 'soft miss' at idle in gear and
>> it's
>> singing its heart out under load.)
>>
>> Now two other diesel mechanics have heard this and said the timing has to
>> be
>> off. Also suggesting this is that the thing is eating fuel, and I mean
>> eating it. Just FYI, the car now has 302k, chain was done at around 200k.
>>
>> SO THE QUESTIONS:
>>
>> 1. Is there any timing advance on the pump?
>
> Not on the pump - on the chain driven "timer" that the pump bolts to.
>
>> 2. If yes to #1, how is it controlled? Is the 'mushroom' on top of the
>> pump
>> involved?
>
> It is controlled by engine revolutions - centrifugal. No adjustment - it
> works or it doesn't.
>
>> 3. If yes to the mushroom, what happens if it's defective?
>
> Has nothing to do with any "mushrooms."
>
>> 4. Is it possible for IP timing to test out okay at rest, in a static
>> (drip)
>> test, but be off under running conditions?
>
> Only if the timer is bad. If it's bad, it needs to be REPLACED.
>
> I believe you're on the wrong track. The noise you are hearing is
> combustion noise - that results when the combustion wave isn't smooth.
> This can be caused by poor injection pressure (either the delivery valve
> seals or the condition of the injectors can be responsible for this),
> poor spray pattern, or poor conditions inside the prechamber (debris
> inside or the prechamber is cracked).
>
> As far as fuel consumption goes, you're not likely to change more than a
> few percent with timing changes that are practical. Factors such as
> engine operating temperature or leaks or spray pattern or chamber
> condition will change fuel consumption FAR more.
>
> You're trying to apply what you know about gasoline engine to a diesel.
> Doesn't work very well!
>
> Marshall
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