Hey Hendrick -
You know? Pretty soon I'm going to give up and go target practice. ;-)
The obsession you see is with personal responsibility. True, I have a
gun I keep loaded and ready to fire - if it's not in that condition it's
basically a paperwieght.
Yep, that Granny was undoubtedly staged - she was probably *almost* as
anti-gun as the people filming that piece of drivil. ;-)
I realize you can't see the need for personal protection against
muggers, home invaders, and just plain mean people - you are very lucky.
But that's what you get when you're the Melting Pot of the world with
unregulated immigrants arriving daily - people who may have been criminals
in their homeland who decided to find a better place to operate. And they
end up here.
We don't have a caste or class system like those that exist in some
older countries so people tend to mix more completely putting have's and
have-not's in close proximty - the credit problem you've probably heard
about has exacerbated the problem by selling people houses they had no hope
of paying for - when they default, the govt bails them out at least for a
while . But it looks like home ownership is way up - but we have uneducated
people barely scrapping out a living living close to people who are
professionals. It creates a tension -then greed & envy take over. Seeing
your neighbor driving a new Mercedes Blutect ;-) when all you have is a
dieing Pacer and the tension escalates. Throw in some teenagers who have
little hope of staying off drugs and out of jail (or alive) and soon there
are people thinking the way to the "good life" is to break into Mr. Jones'
house and steal a bag of money.
The fact that my name isn't Jones and I don't have a bag of money doen't
mean some car with 3 or 4 guys thinking I'm wealthy & they decide to kick my
front door in and see what they can end up with. Unfortunately it happens
every day but not to me.
So I don't plan to be sitting here with a pillow for protection preying
they won't hurt me. Like those kids and profs at Va Tech last year - if the
college administration had allows those with CCWs (and had gone thru the
extensive background checks) to carry their gun that guy would not have
killed 32 - he may have gotten 2 or 3 - but at least they could have stopped
him.
I know you probably don't think bad things happen often enough to
justify carrying a gun, but there are situations where one is needed. It's
not good to count on the mercy of someone who may not know the meaning of
the word.
Have a nice weekend -
Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D)
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Hendrik & Fay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 8:29 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Man bites dog, was guns Now - Back to Guns OT OT
>I am not saying all of the US is like that but people on this list have
> indicated that they have a loaded weapon ready to go...........just in
> case.
> Is that the way we should be living.
> I saw on TV a while back a thing about the gun culture in the US and
> here was trailer park granny showing her 6-8 year old grandson how to
> 'handle' a revolver, he was too young to even pull the trigger, so
> grandma had to show him how to pull the hammer back.
> Of course this was all staged so people outside the US would think that
> you lot are all gun crazy.
> Look you gotta face it, there is an obsession with guns in the states,
> which is fueled by the constitution, gangsta movies and other things.
>
> Hendrik
>
> LarryT wrote:
>> Hendrik -
>> You wrote <<One of the problems I see with firearms is that it makes
>> people
>> lazy,
>> they don't try and settle arguments with diplomacy but rather just go
>> and get the guuuunn out and stick it in someones face.
>> After a while people forget how to resolve differences without resorting
>> to violence.>>
>>
>> I suspect your ideas about gun violence comes from TV and the movies.
>> Gun
>> owners (not criminals, but law abiding citizens who happen to own guns)
>> do
>> not operate this way. If they did they'd all be behind bars.
>>
>> As I've said before, using a gun - even showing it to let others know you
>> are armed - can stop/prevent a violent confrontation - but there's a
>> price
>> that comes with that act. It's entirely possible the gun owner will
>> spend
>> some time in jail
>> for that simple act. And if he were to use the gun it is 99% likely he
>> will
>> spend at least a few days in jail - maybe longer while the cops and
>> attorneys decide if the use of the firearm was reasonable. If they
>> decide
>> no, he gets a lawyer and goes to court and possibly prison.
>>
>> If the situation were the way you perceive it a large population of the
>> law
>> abiding gun owners would be in jail - using a gun when it is not called
>> for
>> has serious repercussions - for anyone except hardened criminals - who
>> go
>> from one crime scene to another - totally unaffected by gun laws. Hell,
>> they might *kill* someone - does anyone believe they respect a gun law
>> when
>> they don't respect the law against murder?
>>
>> You wrote <<have a look at the sort
>>
>>> of society you have created for yourselves? In a >>
>>>
>>
>> You mean taking the responsiblity for my family's safety? Yeah, that's
>> an
>> awful way to live. ;-\ As opposed to being assaulted and or murdered
>> while
>> waiting for the police?
>>
>> BTW, did you know the police do not have a duty to protect someone?
>> according to the Supreme Ct at least.
>>
>> There's nothing wrong with having the ability to save the life of someone
>> in
>> my family - I'd feel better about shooting someone who was harming my
>> child
>> than wringing my hands after my child was killed and wishing the police
>> had
>> gotten there faster! And you want to talk them out of it? It is a fact
>> that the police will arrive at a crime *after* it has occurred 95+% of
>> the
>> time. They arrive to do paperwork and ask questions, then say, we'll let
>> you know if we find someone.
>>
>> You seem to have the idea that we pull our gun and shoot people who spit
>> on
>> our shoes? Waaaay to much TV Hendrik.
>>
>> That's typical though -- that's how most people living outside the US get
>> their perception of what life is like here.
>>
>>
>> Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D)
>>
>>
>
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