Completely agree, my partners as I bought over a million dollars in Tissint in less than a month. Great meteorite, great price. There are no large pieces on the market today. That tells me it was too cheap. I am happy to have a nice hoard of it for the future. I will try to do the same with the Russian fall. Michael Farmer
Sent from my iPhone On Feb 19, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Adam Hupe <raremeteori...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Tissint is a perfect example of what can go wrong if a dealer or two get in > too deep with credit cards or don't truly know the market. They can't handle > the pressure, panic and then dump at the first sign of competition. If they > would have priced it correctly from the beginning, they would have avoided a > lot of the turmoil that centers around falls. Compound the problem with more > and more supply coming onto the Moroccan market from multiple sources and > collectors lose the ability to determine TAW undermining value and confidence. > > A few fortunate and smart major collectors put out the money and took > advantage of rookie planetary dealers' mistakes. > > If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen and let others with more > experience prevail! Know your market and do not let emotion or hype > influence your decisions to a great degree! > > > Adam > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael Farmer <m...@meteoriteguy.com> > To: Graham Ensor <graham.en...@gmail.com> > Cc: Adam Hupe <raremeteori...@yahoo.com>; Adam > <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 12:15 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wish list Meteorite choice (can only pick one) > > I agree, Tissint was extremely underpriced. The evidence is that there is > virtually none on the market a year later. All nice pieces vanished into > collections. I will take Tissint over a Martian find any day of the week. > Michael Farmer > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 19, 2013, at 1:06 PM, Graham Ensor <graham.en...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> So where does this leave Tissint...one of the most undervalued >> meteorites of all time. If it had come down as it did , but in the USA >> or UK...what would have the price been....and yet what is the >> difference. Pricing at the moment has gone bonkers. >> >> Graham >> >> On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Michael Farmer <m...@meteoriteguy.com> >> wrote: >>> Adam, those who bought black beauty for $20,000 gram will lose 90%. >>> I expect this Russia fall to be couple bucks a gram for larger material. >>> Anyone paying $50+ gram for this will be an idiot just like those buying >>> fakes on eBay. Please don't stoop to calling this a boring ordinary >>> meteorite, it isn't! >>> Call it anything you want, a nuclear-bomb blast magnitude common chondrite >>> on the news 24/7 for last 5 days, "Gimme Gimme gimme"! >>> Michael Farmer >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Feb 19, 2013, at 12:49 PM, Adam Hupe <raremeteori...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>> This is what makes meteorite collecting interesting. Some prefer falls >>>> and some prefer rare types. I am saying that historically, there is way >>>> more bang for the buck in a planetary piece than a fall unless it is a >>>> planetary fall. The last Martian fall maintains around 40% of the initial >>>> offering price whereas the last several chondrite falls only maintains >>>> about 10-20% of their initial offer price. For the most part, unless some >>>> dealer becomes desperate and charges way too much on his credit card, >>>> Planetary finds have the best record for maintaining price in the long run. >>>> >>>> With over a dozen falls a year, Ordinary Chondrite falls are literately a >>>> dime a dozen these days, excuse the pun. You can purchase very old >>>> witnessed falls at a bargain by comparison to more recent falls with >>>> asking prices much higher. I would prefer very old falls for investment >>>> purposes. >>>> >>>> I like planetary pieces above all else and to me, they will always be king. >>>> >>>> Adam >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: Michael Farmer <m...@meteoriteguy.com> >>>> To: Adam Hupe <raremeteori...@yahoo.com> >>>> Cc: Adam <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 10:55 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wish list Meteorite choice (can only pick >>>> one) >>>> >>>> Sorry Adam, but this fall has been seen in every country and every tv in >>>> the world. I would not expect it to be expensive because for sure >>>> thousands of stones will be recovered. The price on black beauty is >>>> insane, already dropping and I have Moroccans begging me to buy it. This >>>> Russian fall has excited the world, my sales are surging because of >>>> interest. >>>> I will take a bet with you, this Russian meteorite will fill every >>>> collection in the world and Black beauty will be owned by very few people. >>>> I know where I am going to put my money. >>>> >>>> Michael Farmer >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> On Feb 19, 2013, at 11:13 AM, Adam Hupe <raremeteori...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> In my opinion, the Martian Breccia is far more important than an Ordinary >>>>> Chondrite and will hold its value better than a witnessed fall with >>>>> thousands of pieces on the market.. A witnessed fall may very well lose >>>>> 90% of its value within a month or two once its coolness factor wears >>>>> off. The real story is in the event and once the limited amount of >>>>> collectors get their hands on some, the demand drops off quickly. On the >>>>> other hand, the way overpriced Martian meteorite will be appreciated much >>>>> longer unless pairings and competition drag the price down. >>>>> >>>>> I always wait at least six months before investing in either one so that >>>>> I am am not paying 4 to 10 times its settled value. >>>>> >>>>> Adam >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Matt Morgan <m...@mhmeteorites.com> >>>>> To: Mark Ford <mark.f...@southernscientific.co.uk>; >>>>> "Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" >>>>> <Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> >>>>> Cc: >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 8:49 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wish list Meteorite choice (can only pick >>>>> one) >>>>> >>>>> I'll take the Martian if we are playing that game. >>>>> >>>>> Mark Ford <mark.f...@southernscientific.co.uk> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Aw, invoking shrodinger's cat is cheating! :) >>>>>> >>>>>> Ok, in this universe, i'll take the Russian, in the other one the >>>>>> Martian.. >>>>>> >>>>>> lol >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com >>>>>> [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mendy >>>>>> Ouzillou >>>>>> Sent: 19 February 2013 15:57 >>>>>> To: Michael Farmer; Matt Morgan >>>>>> Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wish list Meteorite choice (can only pick >>>>>> one) >>>>>> >>>>>> Agreed, they are both cool. >>>>>> >>>>>> So if Schrodinger's cat can be dead and alive at the same time, I would >>>>>> ignore the rules and get both. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mendy Ouzillou >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>>> From: Michael Farmer <m...@meteoriteguy.com> >>>>>>> To: Matt Morgan <m...@mhmeteorites.com> >>>>>>> Cc: "Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" >>>>>>> <Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 7:35 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wish list Meteorite choice (can only >>>>>> pick >>>>>>> one) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But one problem, the Russian fall is likely going to be relatively >>>>>> cheap, I am sure hundreds of kilos will be found and the price will >>>>>> likely be low. For $500 people will be able to buy one or many stones. >>>>>> $500 in black beauty gets you a speck hardly identifiable as a >>>>>> meteorite. >>>>>>> Both are very interesting meteorites, scientifically the Mars is more >>>>>> interesting but dynamically the Russian fall is history-book material. >>>>>>> No comparison in my opinion:) >>>>>>> I'll be in Russia very soon, so get your pennies counted:) Michael >>>>>>> Farmer >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 19, 2013, at 8:27 AM, Matt Morgan <m...@mhmeteorites.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Why discriminate? Both are history-making meteorites in their own >>>>>> rights. Black Beauty is not just another Mars rock and the Russian fall >>>>>> is far from ordinary. We should see this as an opportunity (if there is >>>>>> the opportunity to own the Russian fall) and them both to our >>>>>> collections. >>>>>>>> Matt >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mark Ford <mark.f...@southernscientific.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Given there is probably more tkw of black beauty than chebarkul at >>>>>>>>> the moment - give me 'the Russian blonde'! :) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mark >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com >>>>>>>>> [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of >>>>>>>>> Don Merchant >>>>>>>>> Sent: 19 February 2013 13:14 >>>>>>>>> To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>>>>>>>> Cc: Don Merchant >>>>>>>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Wish list Meteorite choice (can only pick >>>>>>>>> one) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi List. What an exciting week in the world of >>>>>> meteorites/asteroids! >>>>>>>>> So here goes...If you had only the choice of picking one small >>>>>>>>> fragment for your collection what would it be. Here are the >>>>>> choices: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Black Beauty Martian meteorite NWA 7034 or A fragment of the recent >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> and most historic event of the Russian meteorite in Chebarkul. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Lets just say for ships and giggles that if you pick one you can >>>>>>>>> never have the other! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Any thoughts? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sincerely >>>>>>>>> Don Merchant >>>>>>>>> Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders >>>>>>>>> www.ctreasurescwonders.com IMCA #0960 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>>>>>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>>>>>>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>>>>>>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>>>>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>>>>>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>>>>>>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>>>>>>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Matt Morgan >>>>>>>> Mile High Meteorites >>>>>>>> PO Box 151293 >>>>>>>> Lakewood CO 80215 USA >>>>>>>> http://www.mhmeteorites.com >>>>>>>> Find Us on Facebook >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>>>>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>>>>>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>>>>>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>>>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>>>>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>>>>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>>>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>>>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>>>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>>>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Matt Morgan >>>>> Mile High Meteorites >>>>> PO Box 151293 >>>>> Lakewood CO 80215 USA >>>>> http://www.mhmeteorites.com >>>>> Find Us on Facebook >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>> ______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> ______________________________________________ >>> >>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
