Mike when do plan on heading to Russia?
Don Merchant
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From: "Michael Farmer" <m...@meteoriteguy.com>
To: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteori...@yahoo.com>
Cc: "Adam" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wish list Meteorite choice (can only pick one)
Completely agree, my partners as I bought over a million dollars in
Tissint in less than a month. Great meteorite, great price. There are no
large pieces on the market today. That tells me it was too cheap. I am
happy to have a nice hoard of it for the future.
I will try to do the same with the Russian fall.
Michael Farmer
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On Feb 19, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Adam Hupe <raremeteori...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Tissint is a perfect example of what can go wrong if a dealer or two get
in too deep with credit cards or don't truly know the market. They can't
handle the pressure, panic and then dump at the first sign of
competition. If they would have priced it correctly from the beginning,
they would have avoided a lot of the turmoil that centers around falls.
Compound the problem with more and more supply coming onto the Moroccan
market from multiple sources and collectors lose the ability to determine
TAW undermining value and confidence.
A few fortunate and smart major collectors put out the money and took
advantage of rookie planetary dealers' mistakes.
If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen and let others with
more experience prevail! Know your market and do not let emotion or hype
influence your decisions to a great degree!
Adam
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From: Michael Farmer <m...@meteoriteguy.com>
To: Graham Ensor <graham.en...@gmail.com>
Cc: Adam Hupe <raremeteori...@yahoo.com>; Adam
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wish list Meteorite choice (can only pick
one)
I agree, Tissint was extremely underpriced. The evidence is that there is
virtually none on the market a year later. All nice pieces vanished into
collections. I will take Tissint over a Martian find any day of the week.
Michael Farmer
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On Feb 19, 2013, at 1:06 PM, Graham Ensor <graham.en...@gmail.com> wrote:
So where does this leave Tissint...one of the most undervalued
meteorites of all time. If it had come down as it did , but in the USA
or UK...what would have the price been....and yet what is the
difference. Pricing at the moment has gone bonkers.
Graham
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Michael Farmer <m...@meteoriteguy.com>
wrote:
Adam, those who bought black beauty for $20,000 gram will lose 90%.
I expect this Russia fall to be couple bucks a gram for larger
material.
Anyone paying $50+ gram for this will be an idiot just like those
buying fakes on eBay. Please don't stoop to calling this a boring
ordinary meteorite, it isn't!
Call it anything you want, a nuclear-bomb blast magnitude common
chondrite on the news 24/7 for last 5 days, "Gimme Gimme gimme"!
Michael Farmer
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On Feb 19, 2013, at 12:49 PM, Adam Hupe <raremeteori...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
This is what makes meteorite collecting interesting. Some prefer
falls and some prefer rare types. I am saying that historically,
there is way more bang for the buck in a planetary piece than a fall
unless it is a planetary fall. The last Martian fall maintains around
40% of the initial offering price whereas the last several chondrite
falls only maintains about 10-20% of their initial offer price. For
the most part, unless some dealer becomes desperate and charges way
too much on his credit card, Planetary finds have the best record for
maintaining price in the long run.
With over a dozen falls a year, Ordinary Chondrite falls are
literately a dime a dozen these days, excuse the pun. You can
purchase very old witnessed falls at a bargain by comparison to more
recent falls with asking prices much higher. I would prefer very old
falls for investment purposes.
I like planetary pieces above all else and to me, they will always be
king.
Adam
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From: Michael Farmer <m...@meteoriteguy.com>
To: Adam Hupe <raremeteori...@yahoo.com>
Cc: Adam <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wish list Meteorite choice (can only
pick one)
Sorry Adam, but this fall has been seen in every country and every tv
in the world. I would not expect it to be expensive because for sure
thousands of stones will be recovered. The price on black beauty is
insane, already dropping and I have Moroccans begging me to buy it.
This Russian fall has excited the world, my sales are surging because
of interest.
I will take a bet with you, this Russian meteorite will fill every
collection in the world and Black beauty will be owned by very few
people.
I know where I am going to put my money.
Michael Farmer
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On Feb 19, 2013, at 11:13 AM, Adam Hupe <raremeteori...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
In my opinion, the Martian Breccia is far more important than an
Ordinary Chondrite and will hold its value better than a witnessed
fall with thousands of pieces on the market.. A witnessed fall may
very well lose 90% of its value within a month or two once its
coolness factor wears off. The real story is in the event and once
the limited amount of collectors get their hands on some, the demand
drops off quickly. On the other hand, the way overpriced Martian
meteorite will be appreciated much longer unless pairings and
competition drag the price down.
I always wait at least six months before investing in either one so
that I am am not paying 4 to 10 times its settled value.
Adam
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From: Matt Morgan <m...@mhmeteorites.com>
To: Mark Ford <mark.f...@southernscientific.co.uk>;
"Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com"
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Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wish list Meteorite choice (can only
pick one)
I'll take the Martian if we are playing that game.
Mark Ford <mark.f...@southernscientific.co.uk> wrote:
Aw, invoking shrodinger's cat is cheating! :)
Ok, in this universe, i'll take the Russian, in the other one the
Martian..
lol
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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
Mendy
Ouzillou
Sent: 19 February 2013 15:57
To: Michael Farmer; Matt Morgan
Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wish list Meteorite choice (can only
pick
one)
Agreed, they are both cool.
So if Schrodinger's cat can be dead and alive at the same time, I
would
ignore the rules and get both.
Mendy Ouzillou
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From: Michael Farmer <m...@meteoriteguy.com>
To: Matt Morgan <m...@mhmeteorites.com>
Cc: "Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com"
<Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 7:35 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wish list Meteorite choice (can only
pick
one)
But one problem, the Russian fall is likely going to be relatively
cheap, I am sure hundreds of kilos will be found and the price will
likely be low. For $500 people will be able to buy one or many
stones.
$500 in black beauty gets you a speck hardly identifiable as a
meteorite.
Both are very interesting meteorites, scientifically the Mars is
more
interesting but dynamically the Russian fall is history-book
material.
No comparison in my opinion:)
I'll be in Russia very soon, so get your pennies counted:) Michael
Farmer
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On Feb 19, 2013, at 8:27 AM, Matt Morgan <m...@mhmeteorites.com>
wrote:
Why discriminate? Both are history-making meteorites in their own
rights. Black Beauty is not just another Mars rock and the Russian
fall
is far from ordinary. We should see this as an opportunity (if there
is
the opportunity to own the Russian fall) and them both to our
collections.
Matt
Mark Ford <mark.f...@southernscientific.co.uk> wrote:
Given there is probably more tkw of black beauty than chebarkul
at
the moment - give me 'the Russian blonde'! :)
Mark
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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
Don Merchant
Sent: 19 February 2013 13:14
To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc: Don Merchant
Subject: [meteorite-list] Wish list Meteorite choice (can only
pick
one)
Hi List. What an exciting week in the world of
meteorites/asteroids!
So here goes...If you had only the choice of picking one small
fragment for your collection what would it be. Here are the
choices:
Black Beauty Martian meteorite NWA 7034 or A fragment of the
recent
and most historic event of the Russian meteorite in Chebarkul.
Lets just say for ships and giggles that if you pick one you can
never have the other!
Any thoughts?
Sincerely
Don Merchant
Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders
www.ctreasurescwonders.com IMCA #0960
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