Burt wrote:

>Hi!
>    I am wondering what experiences others have and are having with 
>Mandriva.
>    I have had the Mandrake Powerpack 10.1 hard copy since it first came 
>out and except that the original documentation was inadequate I have not 
>had any real grief with it. The updated documentation was much improved 
>and I did get a copy of it.
>    That said, The name changed to Mandriva, the Mandrake update system 
>ceased to work and the Mandrake support appeared to cease.
>    I have tried to get updates a couple of times now and there were 
>screw ups both times.
>    Is there a way to actually down load from Mandriva? If so how does 
>it work and how might I do it. If it does not work I would like to know 
>your experiences.
>    While this is probably of general interest do not be bashful about 
>contacting me off list.
>    TNX   Burt
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>
Hi!
    Since I initiated this thread and no one seems to have gotten my 
drift let me renew the attempt.
    First off let me say that it was not my intent to black ball the 
Mandriva organization but to find out what I was missing. In actuality 
from Mandrake 8.2 on ward my experience with the sales and support 
operation has been a disaster. While the Mandrake site looked realistic 
enough a check of the HTML pointers and their results was a confusing 
mess. The 10.1 package did contain a screen with some graphics and HTML 
that permitted relatively automatic access to ones account, help, down 
loads, updates and support. I got rather used to it. In many ways it was 
superior to anything Windows had. When the name changed to Mandriva one 
might think they would update the above screen and communicate with 
Mandriva. That did not happen. What they did was go back to the older 
screens to communicate with the public. While there were many problems 
with the original screens and their HTML they did nothing to correct 
problems. What they did do was to change everything that the screens 
were supposed to access. The result was simply to add to the confusion 
already implemented.
    On at least two occasions I tried to buy the hard copy of the 
powerpack all I accomplished was to get caught up in the maze of 
disconnects that involved the store, the US outlet in CA, PayPal, the 
international banking community and Mandriva's representatives around 
France and the US.  Unfortunately most of these people can not read or 
write rationally in English. Whether by intent of incompetence it 
amounts to one big scam.
    At various times they have asked for criticism and comments. I have 
obliged and I have tried to be civil about it in spite of the evidence 
that I was dealing with a nest of idiots.
    My original query was intended to draw out some idea of other 
peoples experiences. That is still my desire.
    That said. In the past week I have found some other URL's and links 
to indicate that the organization has undergone significant internal 
change. I did find a way to download something. I do not yet know what I 
have. What I did find was that their security system has been broken for 
some months to years. By taking the trusting approach I got what I got.
    Most recently I received a message containing a new face for 
Mandriva. This one looks like it might be rational. I will play with it 
for a while and perhaps I will forward it to the mhvlug for others to 
scrutinize.
    TNX    Burt
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