[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>  >Many scientists calculate that it takes as much or more
>  >energy to produce ethanol as can be obtained from it. 
>  
> These "scientists" are obviously not familiar with:
> www.e3biofuels.com <http://www.e3biofuels.com>

I'd love to read a real description of the energy in and out of that 
plant, including corn production. Their website is, predictably, full of 
manure.

 From their description:
"or more accurately, harvest clean solar energy by way of our middleman, 
the humble cow"

Uhh...last I checked, cows don't photosynthesize.

What's interesting here is that they're a) using manure (via anerobic 
digestion) to fire the ethanol plant, and b) feeding the distiller's 
grain back to the cows. So they're using cows to recover energy from the 
waste products on the plant, and using that energy to run the plant itself.

But you still have to grow corn and feed that into the plant. It still 
affects food supplies, and even if you accept their 5:1 corn-to-pump 
efficiency, that's still worse than sugar cane, much less the cellulosic 
ethanol stuff that's coming.

I'll leave the merits of distiller's grain as cattle feed to a different 
discussion.

The environmental movement really needs a few good macroeconomists.

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