>Many scientists calculate that it takes as much or more 
>energy to produce ethanol as can be obtained from it. 
 
These "scientists" are obviously not familiar with:
_www.e3biofuels.com_ (http://www.e3biofuels.com) 
 
Jim in Tucson
E85 EVO
 
 
 
In a message dated 8/6/2008 2:12:56 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I read  the linked editorial.  Written by a guy from Nebraska, I'm not the 
least  bit surprised about the claims it makes, but that doesn't make them  
true.  I'm from Kansas myself and am familiar with these  arguments.

His "Myth 1" is, effectively, a lie.  Drawing a  distinction between 
feedstock corn and human corn is horribly  disingenuous.  The truth is that any 
cropland planted in "feed" corn  could have been planted in "food" corn.  If 
farmers 
planted "feed" corn  (correctly believing it will be in high demand for use 
in ethanol production)  then that is land which won't be used for "food" grains.

The remainder  of his "myths" (2, 3, and 4) are rephrased versions of the 
same (false) claim,  i.e. that utilizing corn for ethanol isn't affecting 
supply/prices.  This  too is despicably disingenuous.  Food is THE economics 
textbook 
example  of inflexible demand and the resulting steep demand/price curve.  
The  facts are a) people have to eat no matter how great the cost and b) they 
can  only eat so much regardless of how small the cost.  Nearly 20% of corn  
went to ethanol in 2006 and it is approaching 50% in 2008 despite more and  
more 
land is being planted in corn (and, thus, not in other crops).   Thus, 
large-scale use in ethanol production has a tremendous impact on food  prices 
and can 
easily quadruple them as has, in fact,  happened.

Finally, there is what the author conveniently failed to  mention:  Many 
scientists calculate that it takes as much or more energy  to produce ethanol 
as 
can be obtained from it.  The result, then, is no  net energy savings, but 
enormous (and awful) unintended environmental and  economic consequences.

M.

P.S. It is important to distinguish  between grain-based ethanol and sugar 
cane and/or celuulosic ethanol.   These latter sources are much more efficient.

At 09:35 PM 8/5/2008,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

E85 is often made  from feed corn, but not from food corn. Filling up with 
E85 may cause beef  prices to rise, but it is no secr 





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