I believe that "film on the rotors" concept.  I had that with some EBC Green 
Stuff pads, only they deposited the film unevenly so that the pedal feel 
simulated a warped rotor.  "Stuff" is a euphemism, I'm sure.

From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ken Bogart
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 3:09 PM
To: bvl
Cc: [email protected]; Robert M
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: Which hawk pads?

Perhaps the issue is changing pad compounds on existing rotors? There is 
supposedly a film on a rotor that needs to be compatible with the pad compound. 
(I am not entirely convinced of this.)

I have replaced pads with HPS for a lot of people, and then PROPERLY bed them. 
They then grip with excellent feel. I have never had a disappointed customer 
yet. Of course, they are generally upgrading from stock (or worse) pads.


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On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 3:58 PM, bvl 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On 12/16/10 12:20 PM, Robert M wrote:

    When I was running my FMII on the track I used HP+.  They were dusty, 
noisy, spendy, and had great initial bite and easily modulated friction.

Once I stopped going to the track I switched to HPS.   They were quiet, clean, 
and may as well have been made of wood.   Terrible feel- I really hated them.

Weird that I had such a bad experience contrary to everyone else; I've no 
explanation for this.

I don't think you are alone. Though not the same car, I went from HP+ to HPS on 
the subaru and the feel of the HPS
is very soft in comparison. The initial bite is not there with a dead feeling 
post switching.

Its been years since I had stock pads on the WRX, but I gather the HPS feels 
similar or a tad better then OEM.

Reason for changing: HP+ is a high friction pad, plenty of dust (I do clean the 
car, but its heavy dust that does not like to be washed away easily), and the 
accelerated rotor wear I observed which for a street only car seemed a bit over 
the top.

- b

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