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Simple design. Ken Bogart ----------------------------------------------------- 96 Montego Blue FFS Coldside (His) 97 Black & Tan (Hers) 90 Crystal White (sons) ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.miatacare.com http://www.cincimiata.com http://www.bcchallenger.org MiataMail.com list owner On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:11 PM, Michael Gillman <[email protected]>wrote: > Larry > > Your "real car" is going to disappear in your lifetime as electric and > battery technology improves. Both electric and steam cars coexisted > with gas autos for years but their limitations held them back. > Electric due to poor battery technology and steam due to danger of an > exploding boiler and the time it took to bring the water to a boil. > Steam was superior to the internal combustion engine. they were much > faster and cleaner. So your whinging is just silly. > > Where I live most electricy is hydro power with some nucs. > > Mike > > On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Larry Alster <[email protected]> wrote: > > Sorry I stand by my statement > > > > > > > > Almost everyone in the country has to pay for electricity therefore the > cost > > isn't magically low number for the average person. > > > > > > > > Also your statement about less dependency on foreign oil is BS since > again > > for most people they have to buy the electricity and where do you think > most > > of it comes from??? > > > > > > > > Again as for your statement about a zillion ways to make electricity, > most > > is oil. Until we build more nuclear plants in this country most > electricity > > is oil generated. > > > > > > > > The thing that is going to make a difference in our national energy > supply > > and national security isn't a few battery powered cars but getting our > > politicians heads out of their butts and allowing us to drill and refine > our > > own oil and build nuclear plants here. > > > > > > > > Until then be happy with your little battery powered toy and the > majority > > of us will be happy with real cars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Larry Alster > > > > > > > > 91 Miata White Knight > > > > 92 Miata Silver Bullet > > > > 92 Miata Honey B > > > > 04 MSM MX-5 Whooosh > > > > 06 WRX STi Subie > > > > > > > > From: Brian Pifer [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:14 PM > > To: Larry Alster > > > > Cc: [email protected]; [email protected] > > Subject: RE: Miata electric conversion > > > > > > > > I don’t normally chime in because others have more knowledge and are > faster > > than I. But I take issue with your assertion that “battery electric cars > > are still a stupid idea.” > > > > > > > > Yes, they have drawbacks (limited range & higher initial cost), but they > > also have advantages (lower operating cost & less foreign oil > dependence). > > Current electric cars are not for everyone and you really need a second > > “long distance” car for road trips. > > > > > > > > But just like a diesel pickup is great for towing, an electric car is > great > > for commuting. I drive just over 100 miles on some days and 70 or so on > > most. My car will easily do 80 on the highway with plenty of power left > for > > passing. I don’t spare the accelerator pedal and haven’t changed any of > my > > driving habits. It’s a real car. > > > > > > > > I pay .03 per mile to drive my electric car versus .13 per mile to drive > my > > midsize sedan. I paid a $15,000 premium for the electric car (without > > incentives) and it will take 150,000 miles to even that out. I drive 25k > > miles per year, so in 6 years, I’ll be even. > > > > > > > > But for me, the real advantage is that we’ve got a zillion ways to make > > electricity, but a whole lot less ways to make gas. No more of my money > > will go to middle east countries that hate America. Since I have solar > > panels on my roof, I am 100% in control of my transportation costs. > That’s > > worth a lot to me. > > > > > > > > An electric car my not suit your needs or driving style – that’s ok. But > > for up to 80% of Americans, it could. And that could make a very real > > difference in national energy supply and national security. > > > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Larry Alster > > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 6:56 AM > > To: 'Ray Ayala' > > Cc: [email protected]; [email protected] > > Subject: RE: Miata electric conversion > > > > > > > > That's not totally fair since you get rid of the weight of the IC engine. > > That said battery electric cars are still a stupid idea. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Larry Alster > > > > > > > > 91 Miata White Knight > > > > 92 Miata Silver Bullet > > > > 92 Miata Honey B > > > > 04 MSM MX-5 Whooosh > > > > 06 WRX STi Subie > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ray Ayala > > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 9:13 AM > > Cc: [email protected]; [email protected] > > Subject: Re: Miata electric conversion > > > > > > > > See how you like driving around with 250lbs of sandbags in the car before > > spending money on 250lbs of batteries. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Steven Loe > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Cc: [email protected] ; [email protected] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 9:49 PM > > > > Subject: Re: Miata electric conversion > > > > > > > > Okay I'm much more a "track nerd" than an "eco nerd", so I'm not really > in > > the target demographic for this product. But ~$15k to turn a Miata into > an > > electric with a 90 mile range? > > > > > > > > Suddenly I can think of about 100 more interesting things to do with > $15k. > > > > Steven Loe > > > > On Sep 28, 2011, at 9:43 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > > > Here is an interesting 'power' idea for the early Miata: electric > conversion > > kit. I'd call it: PEVmiata. > > > > Will FM be building these? Hard to say Flyin' Miata and battery power in > the > > same sentence with a straight face. Much like the V-8 conversions are the > > average-man's super-car, this could be the average-man's Tesla Roadster. > > > > > http://green.autoblog.com/2011/09/28/new-kit-makes-converting-your-miata-to-electric-power-easier-tha/ > > > > http://www.evmiata.com/ > > > > Interesting indeed! > > > > Jim in Tucson > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Miatapower mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://list.miatapower.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/miatapower > > > > ________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Miatapower mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://list.miatapower.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/miatapower > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Miatapower mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://list.miatapower.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/miatapower > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Miatapower mailing list > [email protected] > http://list.miatapower.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/miatapower >
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