not only will gasoline engine only cars be going extinct, but sorry to say, so is the DRIVER. the fully autonomous google cars have proved that. traffic will flow around bottlenecks, texting while driving will be legal again, and when the bush admin, sorry, obama admin, sorry, trilateral commission, sorry, one world government, sorry, lyndon larouche, decides the rabble is in the way, there will be a button they push that will cause all these computerized cars to lock the doors then drive into those internment camps I read about on the interweb, or off the nearest cliff! lol
> From: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 16:11:06 -0700 > Subject: Re: Miata electric conversion > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > > Larry > > Your "real car" is going to disappear in your lifetime as electric and > battery technology improves. Both electric and steam cars coexisted > with gas autos for years but their limitations held them back. > Electric due to poor battery technology and steam due to danger of an > exploding boiler and the time it took to bring the water to a boil. > Steam was superior to the internal combustion engine. they were much > faster and cleaner. So your whinging is just silly. > > Where I live most electricy is hydro power with some nucs. > > Mike > > On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Larry Alster <[email protected]> wrote: > > Sorry I stand by my statement > > > > > > > > Almost everyone in the country has to pay for electricity therefore the cost > > isn't magically low number for the average person. > > > > > > > > Also your statement about less dependency on foreign oil is BS since again > > for most people they have to buy the electricity and where do you think most > > of it comes from??? > > > > > > > > Again as for your statement about a zillion ways to make electricity, most > > is oil. Until we build more nuclear plants in this country most electricity > > is oil generated. > > > > > > > > The thing that is going to make a difference in our national energy supply > > and national security isn't a few battery powered cars but getting our > > politicians heads out of their butts and allowing us to drill and refine our > > own oil and build nuclear plants here. > > > > > > > > Until then be happy with your little battery powered toy and the majority > > of us will be happy with real cars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Larry Alster > > > > > > > > 91 Miata White Knight > > > > 92 Miata Silver Bullet > > > > 92 Miata Honey B > > > > 04 MSM MX-5 Whooosh > > > > 06 WRX STi Subie > > > > > > > > From: Brian Pifer [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:14 PM > > To: Larry Alster > > > > Cc: [email protected]; [email protected] > > Subject: RE: Miata electric conversion > > > > > > > > I don’t normally chime in because others have more knowledge and are faster > > than I. But I take issue with your assertion that “battery electric cars > > are still a stupid idea.” > > > > > > > > Yes, they have drawbacks (limited range & higher initial cost), but they > > also have advantages (lower operating cost & less foreign oil dependence). > > Current electric cars are not for everyone and you really need a second > > “long distance” car for road trips. > > > > > > > > But just like a diesel pickup is great for towing, an electric car is great > > for commuting. I drive just over 100 miles on some days and 70 or so on > > most. My car will easily do 80 on the highway with plenty of power left for > > passing. I don’t spare the accelerator pedal and haven’t changed any of my > > driving habits. It’s a real car. > > > > > > > > I pay .03 per mile to drive my electric car versus .13 per mile to drive my > > midsize sedan. I paid a $15,000 premium for the electric car (without > > incentives) and it will take 150,000 miles to even that out. I drive 25k > > miles per year, so in 6 years, I’ll be even. > > > > > > > > But for me, the real advantage is that we’ve got a zillion ways to make > > electricity, but a whole lot less ways to make gas. No more of my money > > will go to middle east countries that hate America. Since I have solar > > panels on my roof, I am 100% in control of my transportation costs. That’s > > worth a lot to me. > > > > > > > > An electric car my not suit your needs or driving style – that’s ok. But > > for up to 80% of Americans, it could. And that could make a very real > > difference in national energy supply and national security. > > > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Larry Alster > > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 6:56 AM > > To: 'Ray Ayala' > > Cc: [email protected]; [email protected] > > Subject: RE: Miata electric conversion > > > > > > > > That's not totally fair since you get rid of the weight of the IC engine. > > That said battery electric cars are still a stupid idea. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Larry Alster > > > > > > > > 91 Miata White Knight > > > > 92 Miata Silver Bullet > > > > 92 Miata Honey B > > > > 04 MSM MX-5 Whooosh > > > > 06 WRX STi Subie > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ray Ayala > > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 9:13 AM > > Cc: [email protected]; [email protected] > > Subject: Re: Miata electric conversion > > > > > > > > See how you like driving around with 250lbs of sandbags in the car before > > spending money on 250lbs of batteries. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Steven Loe > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Cc: [email protected] ; [email protected] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 9:49 PM > > > > Subject: Re: Miata electric conversion > > > > > > > > Okay I'm much more a "track nerd" than an "eco nerd", so I'm not really in > > the target demographic for this product. But ~$15k to turn a Miata into an > > electric with a 90 mile range? > > > > > > > > Suddenly I can think of about 100 more interesting things to do with $15k. > > > > Steven Loe > > > > On Sep 28, 2011, at 9:43 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > > > Here is an interesting 'power' idea for the early Miata: electric conversion > > kit. I'd call it: PEVmiata. > > > > Will FM be building these? Hard to say Flyin' Miata and battery power in the > > same sentence with a straight face. Much like the V-8 conversions are the > > average-man's super-car, this could be the average-man's Tesla Roadster. > > > > http://green.autoblog.com/2011/09/28/new-kit-makes-converting-your-miata-to-electric-power-easier-tha/ > > > > http://www.evmiata.com/ > > > > Interesting indeed! > > > > Jim in Tucson > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Miatapower mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://list.miatapower.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/miatapower > > > > ________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Miatapower mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://list.miatapower.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/miatapower > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Miatapower mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://list.miatapower.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/miatapower > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Miatapower mailing list > [email protected] > http://list.miatapower.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/miatapower
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