Oh Jeez....if ever there was a need for a NMC, NPC this is it.
Can we take it 'offline' i.e. personal emails to each other? ....but as your both so far apart, it likely won't mean a thing. You're not going to change each others opinions, so what's the point. drop it. On Sep 29, 2011, at 2:18 PM, Larry Alster wrote: > Sorry I stand by my statement > > Almost everyone in the country has to pay for electricity therefore the cost > isn't magically low number for the average person. > > Also your statement about less dependency on foreign oil is BS since again > for most people they have to buy the electricity and where do you think most > of it comes from??? > > Again as for your statement about a zillion ways to make electricity, most is > oil. Until we build more nuclear plants in this country most electricity is > oil generated. > > The thing that is going to make a difference in our national energy supply > and national security isn't a few battery powered cars but getting our > politicians heads out of their butts and allowing us to drill and refine our > own oil and build nuclear plants here. > > Until then be happy with your little battery powered toy and the majority of > us will be happy with real cars. > > > > > Larry Alster > > 91 Miata White Knight > 92 Miata Silver Bullet > 92 Miata Honey B > 04 MSM MX-5 Whooosh > 06 WRX STi Subie > > From: Brian Pifer [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:14 PM > To: Larry Alster > Cc: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: RE: Miata electric conversion > > I don’t normally chime in because others have more knowledge and are faster > than I. But I take issue with your assertion that “battery electric cars are > still a stupid idea.” > > Yes, they have drawbacks (limited range & higher initial cost), but they also > have advantages (lower operating cost & less foreign oil dependence). > Current electric cars are not for everyone and you really need a second “long > distance” car for road trips. > > But just like a diesel pickup is great for towing, an electric car is great > for commuting. I drive just over 100 miles on some days and 70 or so on > most. My car will easily do 80 on the highway with plenty of power left for > passing. I don’t spare the accelerator pedal and haven’t changed any of my > driving habits. It’s a real car. > > I pay .03 per mile to drive my electric car versus .13 per mile to drive my > midsize sedan. I paid a $15,000 premium for the electric car (without > incentives) and it will take 150,000 miles to even that out. I drive 25k > miles per year, so in 6 years, I’ll be even. > > But for me, the real advantage is that we’ve got a zillion ways to make > electricity, but a whole lot less ways to make gas. No more of my money will > go to middle east countries that hate America. Since I have solar panels on > my roof, I am 100% in control of my transportation costs. That’s worth a lot > to me. > > An electric car my not suit your needs or driving style – that’s ok. But for > up to 80% of Americans, it could. And that could make a very real difference > in national energy supply and national security. > > Brian > > > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Larry Alster > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 6:56 AM > To: 'Ray Ayala' > Cc: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: RE: Miata electric conversion > > That's not totally fair since you get rid of the weight of the IC engine. > That said battery electric cars are still a stupid idea. > > > > > Larry Alster > > 91 Miata White Knight > 92 Miata Silver Bullet > 92 Miata Honey B > 04 MSM MX-5 Whooosh > 06 WRX STi Subie > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ray Ayala > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 9:13 AM > Cc: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: Miata electric conversion > > See how you like driving around with 250lbs of sandbags in the car before > spending money on 250lbs of batteries. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steven Loe > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected] ; [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 9:49 PM > Subject: Re: Miata electric conversion > > Okay I'm much more a "track nerd" than an "eco nerd", so I'm not really in > the target demographic for this product. But ~$15k to turn a Miata into an > electric with a 90 mile range? > > Suddenly I can think of about 100 more interesting things to do with $15k. > > Steven Loe > > On Sep 28, 2011, at 9:43 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > Here is an interesting 'power' idea for the early Miata: electric conversion > kit. I'd call it: PEVmiata. > Will FM be building these? Hard to say Flyin' Miata and battery power in the > same sentence with a straight face. Much like the V-8 conversions are the > average-man's super-car, this could be the average-man's Tesla Roadster. > http://green.autoblog.com/2011/09/28/new-kit-makes-converting-your-miata-to-electric-power-easier-tha/ > http://www.evmiata.com/ > Interesting indeed! > Jim in Tucson > _______________________________________________ > Miatapower mailing list > [email protected] > http://list.miatapower.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/miatapower > _______________________________________________ > Miatapower mailing list > [email protected] > http://list.miatapower.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/miatapower > _______________________________________________ > Miatapower mailing list > [email protected] > http://list.miatapower.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/miatapower
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