FWIW, 59 to 75psi would theoretically be a 13% increase in fueling. That is assuming the injectors can open similarly with the higher pressure. At starting (low battery voltage), injectors tend to have a harder time opening. Higher pressure exaggerates this. Hot injectors are likely to further exaggerate this. Hoping fuel pressure will fix this issue may be a reach but worth a shot.

Eric Schieb

On 4/1/2012 7:35 PM, Bill Cardell wrote:
If you're running stock ecu and injectors it won't be happy with 75 psi. Stock is 59 psi.

Bill Cardell
Owner, Flyin' Miata
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1-800-FLY-MX5s
970-464-5600


On Apr 1, 2012, at 4:06 PM, "fast G" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

I checked the fuel pressure as it leave the tank, it's 75psi will a running engine. I have not been able to re-create the hot start issue, the car is still up on saw horses, but I should have it back on the ground next weekend. I was kinda hoping that the fuel pressure would be low as it would give me something to fix. What would be your best guess?

Graham

On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 6:05 PM, fast G <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:



    On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Ken Bogart <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

        I would plumb one inline on the hose going to the fuel rail.

        First determine if your tank is venting by checking gas cap.
        I would release the pressure and see if it starts. Is it
        under pressure or vacuum?

        Ken Bogart
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        On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 3:24 PM, fast G <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:



            I am not sure that I have any FPR at all. I can see
            nothing in the tank apart from the pump. It should be
            running again this week. What is the simplest way to get
            a fuel pressure gauge into the fuel line?

            Graham


            On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Ken Bogart
            <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                Have you checked fuel pressure under the running, hot
                and not so hot conditions?

                The NB has a returnless system, the FPR
                is essentially on the fuel pump end. The dampener is
                supposed to accommodate pulsations, but does not
                control pressure.

                What if you loosen gas cap? does it suck or blow
                under this condition?

                Ken Bogart
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                97 Black & Tan (Hers)
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                On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:59 PM, Helsel, Walt
                <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                    Good, someone that knows what they are talking
                    about. J

                    (I haven't looked under the hood of a Miata in 11
                    months, and last time I did it had a half
                    finished V8 in there... )

                    Wallyman

                    *From:*Bill Cardell [mailto:[email protected]
                    <mailto:[email protected]>]
                    *Sent:* Tuesday, March 27, 2012 2:55 PM
                    *To:* Helsel, Walt
                    *Cc:* fast G; [email protected]
                    <mailto:[email protected]>
                    *Subject:* Re: Miata based Lotus 7

                    More likely it's an nb pulse damper, which is the
                    same footprint.

                    Bill Cardell

                    Owner, Flyin' Miata

                    Www.flyinmiata.com <http://Www.flyinmiata.com>

                    1-800-FLY-MX5s

                    970-464-5600 <tel:970-464-5600>


                    On Mar 27, 2012, at 12:13 PM, "Helsel, Walt"
                    <[email protected]
                    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                        Your "surge unit" in photo 3 sure looks like
                        a stock Miata Fuel Pressure Regulator to me...

                        Wallyman

                        *From:*[email protected]
                        <mailto:[email protected]>
                        [mailto:[email protected]]
                        <mailto:[mailto:[email protected]]>
                        *On Behalf Of *fast G
                        *Sent:* Tuesday, March 27, 2012 1:16 PM
                        *To:* [email protected]
                        <mailto:[email protected]>
                        *Subject:* Miata based Lotus 7

                        I am hoping you guys can help me because I am
                        really confused.

                        I have a Miata powered Locost 7 based on a
                        2002 1.8 Miata (return less injection). The
                        car has a hot start issue, it runs well, if I
                        switch it off it re-starts fine. If I switch
                        it all and wait 5 mins it will not restart
                        until it cools down, say 20 mins. I got the
                        car built so I do not understand why the fuel
                        system is plumbed the way it is. But to me it
                        looks totally wrong. To me it looks like the
                        feed line goes to the fuel surge unit, the
                        return line goes to the evaporator canister,
                        and the vent line is just vented to the
                        atmosphere. I am not sure I have a fuel
                        pressure regulator at all.

                        The first picture is of the tank

                        
http://s562.photobucket.com/albums/ss63/fastgxc/?action=view&current=2012-03-24115835.jpg
                        
<http://s562.photobucket.com/albums/ss63/fastgxc/?action=view&current=2012-03-24115835.jpg>


                        The hose at 2 o'clock goes to the evaporation
                        canister. 4 o'clock is the fuel feed. 9
                        o'clock in a vent line, just vented to
                        atmosphere.

                        Picture 2 is the evaporation canister were
                        the 2 o'clock hose goes.

                        
http://s562.photobucket.com/albums/ss63/fastgxc/?action=view&current=2012-03-24115905.jpg
                        
<http://s562.photobucket.com/albums/ss63/fastgxc/?action=view&current=2012-03-24115905.jpg>


                        Picture 3 is the surge unit.were the 4
                        o'clock hose goes

                        
http://s562.photobucket.com/albums/ss63/fastgxc/?action=view&current=2012-03-24115921.jpg
                        
<http://s562.photobucket.com/albums/ss63/fastgxc/?action=view&current=2012-03-24115921.jpg>


                        So I am thinking that I don't actually have a
                        fuel pressure regulator at all.

                        I am looking for a plan of action to work all
                        this out.

                        What do you think?

                        Graham

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